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Author Topic: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04  (Read 56735 times)

Russell Kanning

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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2004, 11:46:08 am »

I have not found any "UN Free Zones" in NH yet. There seem to be a few in the US and possibly the whole state of Utah (I haven't checked that out yet).

Maybe we should just choose a place like Grafton and find the locals that supported the issue and have a flag burning party. We could even do it at someones house or property so that we don't need permission. :)
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2004, 02:10:06 pm »

I think this is a great idea! I also think Russell has a valid point about possibly not stepping on the shoes of those at the state house where we have no quarrels with the NH leadership. Too bad we can't take this to DC somewhere more respresentative or UN headquarters.
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2004, 02:42:09 pm »

Hmm...polyester and nylon don't burn well, they kind of melt.

What if you soak it in some gasoline?
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2004, 03:28:52 pm »

Hmm...polyester and nylon don't burn well, they kind of melt.

I seem to remember some flag-burners learning that a couple of years ago in front of the Capitol in Austin.  The residue was impossible to clean off the pavement.  So if you are reduced to burning a polymer fiber flag (which would be preferable not to do, because it just doesn't burn as dramatically), you definitely would want to put something down to catch the goo.  Maybe a big piece of sheet metal.
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2004, 03:59:20 pm »

A sheet of 1/4 inch luan plywood would  work and, probably,  not catch on fire before the flag finished burning.  This would be easier to find and cheaper than sheet metal.  Have the guy at Home Depot cut it in 1/2 for easier handling.
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2004, 08:17:19 pm »

With regard to staging the protest in Grafton we'd want to tread lightly because of the bad feelings regarding the Free Town Project...I'd recommend actually calling the mayor or town council and and getting their blessing since they are probably the closest thing to a representative of all the people.  Russell I still need to know if you are officially taking responsibility for getting the location issue taken care of.


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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2004, 08:33:19 pm »

John can get a burn permit, being as he's a volunteer with the local fire department, but we should do it in Concord, not up in Grafton. We want to inspire people statewide.

If you get the word out among the Birchers, the Patriots, and others, we could have a good sized crowd at the statehouse.
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2004, 08:15:18 am »

Dada: I will choose the location. :) We will decide today 8)
Everyone else: Thanks for the suggestions :)
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2004, 08:24:33 am »

I don't want to do this at the state house even though we can get more publicity.  :(
*Our beef is not with NH or it's polititians (save it for when they deserve it ;) )
*I don't want to get a "permit" to protest :)
*We could make a mess :(
*I am thinking a campfire --->bonfire instead of just a flag burning

I do like the idea of supporting a place in NH that does want to protest the UN.
Does anyone have nominations?
If not we will put a warrant here in Keene to vote on it. :) And we can hold the flag burning here in Keene.  ;D I want this to turn into a liberty lovers party also, that way if the media doesn't show up we still had a great time.
Russell
BTW do we know if Jon Bender can make it? It will not be an "official" porcupine event without his presence.  ;D
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2004, 08:32:09 am »

I just read this:

"An amendment to the UN charter defines defiling or destroying the UN flag to be a crime against humankind, adjudicated before the World Court, and subject to punishment ranging from a mere fine, to 30 years in prison with re-education.

So be careful before you mess with the blue flag of world peace and equality."

Don't know if its true.  I don't recognize their jurisdiction over me, the bastards.
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2004, 08:36:35 am »

NYC would be the ideal location, at the UN HQ.
You are right...it would be best to actually protest the UN in some way. Is there a place in NH that has a UN presence?
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2004, 08:42:20 am »

I decided to just order the flag.  Not quite sure if it'll get here in time though.  I asked if I could get faster shipping on it.
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2004, 08:43:13 am »

Maybe we should order the flags in bulk ;) .... and burn them at every Porcupine BBQ
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2004, 09:14:15 am »

The UN controlled parks/areas are called either "biosphere reserves" or "world heritage sites".  Here's one I found in NH:

http://www.euromab.org/brprogram/success/newhamp.html
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Re:UN flag burning
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2004, 09:21:49 am »

OMG people, don't you know the history of the UN?!

http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2003/webArticles/081303_indigenous.asp

About the World Bank

"Established on 1 July 1944 by a conference of 44 governments in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, the World Bank is composed of five organizations: the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD), the International Development Association (IDA), the International Finance Corporation (IFC), The Multilateral Investment Guarantee Agency (MIGA) and the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID). The Bank's mission is "To fight poverty with passion and professionalism for lasting results; to help people help themselves and their environment by providing resources, sharing knowledge, building capacity, and forging partnerships in the public and private sectors; and to be an excellent institution able to attract, excite, and nurture diverse and committed staff with exceptional skills who know how to listen and learn". With 184 member States, the Bank is one of the world's largest sources of development assistance; in 2002 it provided $19.5 billion to developing countries and brought finance and/or technical expertise towards reducing poverty in more than 100 developing economies. "

http://www.sustainer.org/dhm_archive/index.php?display_article=vn549brettonwoodsed

"On July 1, 1944, 730 delegates from 44 nations assembled at the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire.  They stayed three weeks.  When they left they had laid the groundwork for the reconstruction of Europe, for a global money and trade system, and for the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF)."

The World Bank's Library - Celebrating the Bretton Woods Institutions
Welcome to the Virtual Bretton Woods 60th Anniversary Exhibition
http://jolis.worldbankimflib.org/Bwf/

http://www.imfsite.org/origins/early.html

"1-22 July 1944 The IMF is established at the United Nations International Monetary and Financial Conference held in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. The Articles of Agreement are signed by forty-four nations."

http://jolis.worldbankimflib.org/Bwf/60panel2.htm

"July 1-22, 1944 - Delegates meet in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire
Representatives from 44 nations met at the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods for the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference - popularly known as the Bretton Woods Conference. Discussing the accomplishments, John Maynard Keynes said:"

"We have had to perform at one and the same time the tasks appropriate to the economist, to the financier, to the politician, to the journalist, to the propagandist, to the lawyer, to the statesman-even, I think, to the prophet and to the soothsayer."


We MUST hold this flag burning at or near the location of the founding of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund!!!!!!!!!!    :o

We should do this every July 1st as well.   >:(
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