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Re: Other forums discussing FSP
« Reply #360 on: May 24, 2005, 11:59:47 am »

The FSP is discussed somewhere in this mammoth thread:
http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1723
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Re: Other forums discussing FSP
« Reply #363 on: May 26, 2005, 02:59:56 pm »

Sending this out to web forums, direct links to the discussions are at the bottom.   Others who can plz do the same.

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Libertarian talk radio surges in New Hampshire

Not sure how much to read into this...but in the 9 months since I moved to New Hampshire I've noticed a lot of changes in the talk radio culture, mostly positive for local freedom lovers.

When I first got here to Keene in late August '04, there was apparently only one local libertarian talk show in the state - Gardner Goldsmith's program airing 3-6PM weekdays on WGIR-AM.  Now he airs an extra hour each day, and his signal reaches about half the homes in the state.

Southwestern New Hampshire's main radio station had no local libertarian show last year, but now libertarian Eric Scott is on from 10AM-11:30AM every weekday. 

Free Talk Live, the syndicated show run by Free Staters was a nearly unknown Internet show when I moved here.  Now it airs on two radio stations in New Hampshire and one in Mass; the Mass signal reaches southern NH.  Though not technically a local show, Free Talk Live discusses New Hampshire issues on nearly every broadcast (six nights a week 8-10PM EST).  These guys are hardcore libertarians and field a lot of calls from New Hampshire residents which air in about 10 markets around the nation.   

During the same 9 month time period one major socialist show (Arnie Arneson's) has gone off the air in Concord...though it's still airing in the northern part of the state.   The "Bureaucrat Doctor" show  -  where a local government physician answers questions - has been cut in half on WKBK in Keene.  Other things have probably happened that I don't know about, but these are just the changes I'm aware of as a listener.

It's not clear to what extent this minor sea change is connected to the Free State Project (www.FreeStateProject.org), which selected New Hampshire as a target for libertarian migration about two years ago.  So far about 150 liberty activists are thought to have moved here, with another 6,500 pledged to follow.   This *has* had a disproportionate impact on call-ins to NH talk radio...with more and more freedom activists each "liberating" a few minutes a day on talk shows around the state.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/postarticle.cgi
http://www.conservativex.com/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=9909
http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=80798
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28543
http://www.libertynewsforum.com/libertynewsforumcgi/YaBB/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1117138374;start=0#0
http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=4116
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=1640
http://boards.billmaher.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=show_business__media&Number=715576&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411214/posts
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=1426.0
http://www.politicaldiscussion.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9792#9792
http://www.politicscafe.com/forum/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=2367;start=0#lastPost
http://www.youngelephant.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3550#post3550
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=bully&nav=start
http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum//index.php?showtopic=11055
http://207.58.169.66/forum/showthread.php?p=511396#post511396   (old thread diff topic)

the above list iincludes all of the forums i post too i think
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Re: Other forums discussing FSP
« Reply #364 on: May 26, 2005, 03:34:18 pm »

Ahem..  2 stations in NH.   ;D

WNTK FM
WUVR AM

See this thread for details.
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« Reply #365 on: June 01, 2005, 12:51:35 pm »

Sending this out to web forums, direct links to the discussions are at the bottom.   Others who can plz spread this message to other web forums.

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New Hampshire schools to continue allowing guns

OK this is a little dated but most of the nation doesn't know about it:

The New Hampshire House voted overwhelmingly this session to kill a gun control bill which would have restricted the possession of guns on public school property. NH will continue to be one of a tiny handful of states that still respects the 2nd Amendment in and around schools.

I and other Free Staters had a chance to testify against this bill back when it was in committee; I got the hearing's only standing ovation (and it's been all downhill since when I show up to testify, sometimes the reps want to strangle me LOL)! But at this hearing the citizen gun lobby really came out of the woodwork; probably 20 of them testified against, outnumbering the gun controllers around 3-1. The committee voted our way narrowly, recommending 7-6 that the "control freak" bill was "inexpedient to legislate." That enabled the stunning victory in the House. I dont' remember the exact House vote but it was about 2-1 to keep guns legal in schools.

Free Stater, by the way, are people who have moved to New Hampshire for more freedom and for the purpose of enhancing the existing freedom here (details on that at FreeStateProject.org )

Details on the gun vote are at:

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=734.0

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http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum//index.php?showtopic=11164
http://forums.delphiforums.com/bully/messages
http://www.youngelephant.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3551#post3551
http://www.politicscafe.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=2376;start=0#lastPost
http://www.politicaldiscussion.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9906#9906
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=1462.0
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?p=23283#post23283
http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=4174
http://www.libertynewsforum.com/libertynewsforumcgi/YaBB/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=gun_rights;action=display;num=1117658331
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=97105
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Re: Other forums discussing FSP
« Reply #367 on: June 05, 2005, 09:18:35 am »

Posting this mini-press-release around the net also (not a priority item...those of you who are following my lead should probably post the more interesting stuff before bothering with this one)

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"March for Capitalism" in New Hampshire

Waving "Don't Tread on Me" flags and NHfree.com signs, 18 of us turned out June 4 for what I believe was the third annual "March for Capitalism."   It's been happening around the world in the past but I believe this year was the first year for tiny New Hampshire.  About a third of us were Free Staters who moved here  since the state was targetted for libertarian migration back in '03 (www.FreeStateProject.org).   Organizer Jim Perry awarded small business owner Edi Swearingen of Keene the title of New Hampshire  "Capitalist of the Year."

Compared to the pro-freedom civil disobedience that's been going on in-state lately this event was nothing huge, but it's always fun to see liberty-friendly activity in the Free State.

Will try to come back and post pics as soon as they are up...

http://www.whistlestopper.com/forum/showthread.php?p=520338#post520338
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Re: Other forums discussing FSP
« Reply #368 on: June 05, 2005, 11:04:26 am »

below msg posted to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1416936/posts
http://www.conservativex.com/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=9955
http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?p=9344807#9344807
http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=4206
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=97511
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=622844#622844
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?p=24320#post24320


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NH Senate:  VT town may secede to New Hampshire

As some of you may know, entire towns are working to try and secede to low-tax New Hampshire, the most prominent of them being Killington, Vermont.   This month the resort town moved a step closer when it won tentative support from the "Free State's" Senate.

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CONCORD, N.H. The New Hampshire Senate has joined the House in approving a plan to help Killington (Vermont) join the Granite State.  The Senate yesterday approved setting up a commission to negotiate the terms of Killington's secession, but only if Vermont establishes a similar commission.

The plan must go back to the House for another vote, because the Senate made a change to the version the House passed. The governor's office would not say whether Governor John Lynch plans to sign the plan.

In Killington, Norman Holcomb, chairman of the Select Board, said he hopes the secession talk will prompt changes in Vermont's tax system so town residents will change their minds about wanting to leave. But he says they're still working to get lawmakers to set up a commission to negotiate with New Hampshire.

Vermont Governor James Douglas says he's confident Killington will remain part of Vermont.

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For information on how *you* can secede to New Hampshire and attain more freedom, visit www.FreeStateProject.org
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« Reply #369 on: June 05, 2005, 05:16:15 pm »

Will post this around the net as soon as I can.  really need help i can't get these messages out fast enough...

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From Concord Monitor 6/5/05
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/06052005/news/46059.htm

Libertarians push limits of law

By Daniel Barrick
Concord Monitor   

CONCORD - This Saturday, Russell Kanning will attempt to board a flight from Manchester to Philadelphia, carrying nothing but a Bible and a copy of the Declaration of Independence. He doesn’t expect to get very far.
In what he calls an act of civil disobedience, Kanning, a 35-year-old accountant from Keene and a staunch libertarian, will refuse to show identification to airline officials or submit to a security search. But even if he’s barred from his flight, Kanning hopes his actions will highlight what he considers overly burdensome state intrusion.

"They’re not going to be happy I’m doing this," Kanning said. "But people shouldn’t have to go through all the hassles we have to go through. They just want to control us."

Kanning’s performance at Manchester Airport will be the latest in a series of public protests that libertarians here and elsewhere are using to promote their belief in individual freedom and limited government.

Last month, a Newmarket man spent a night in jail after he filed a friend’s fingernails without a license from the state cosmetology board. The man, Mike Fisher, made sure to reap maximum publicity for the stunt, telling police, state officials, and local news outlets about his plans ahead of time. Unlicensed manicuring is a misdemeanor in New Hampshire.

"Normally, we would like to handle this kind of situation with a warning," said Lt. Jay Brown of the Concord Police Department, which handled Fisher’s arrest. "But this individual was asked to stop and when he did not stop, we arrested him."

Other planned demonstrations include starting a private mail service, to call attention to the federal government’s monopoly on first-class mail delivery, and selling bottles of liquor, in defiance of state liquor laws. A crew of libertarians in Kentucky plans to serve alcohol to an underage military veteran next month, letting local police know ahead of time for maximum exposure.

"Libertarians have spent so much time complaining about government, but civil disobedience is a path to actually fixing things," Kanning said. "Who knows what this might inspire?"

But enthusiasm for such public displays isn’t shared throughout New Hampshire’s libertarian community. Some libertarians dismiss protesters like Kanning and Fisher as publicity hounds who risk turning people off with their stunts.

"This kind of protesting is non-productive, counter-productive, and in my opinion is quite sophomoric and egotistical in its approach," said Don Gorman, a former libertarian state representative from Deerfield. "Individuals can pursue the cause of liberty as they see fit, but the way to accomplish those goals is by working with the establishment."

Increasingly visible protests come as libertarians of all stripes seek a more prominent platform in New Hampshire. The Free State Project earned national headlines last year when its members settled on New Hampshire as the setting for its experiment in coordinated pro-liberty living. The project’s leaders hope to move 20,000 like-minded libertarians to the state in the next few years, fostering an environment of limited government. They say hundreds have already made the move.

New Hampshire "is really where it’s happening," said Fisher, who moved to the state a year ago as part of the Free State Project. "We’ve all come here to take part in this. More and more, we are starting to translate our ideas into reality, and people aren’t going to be able to ignore it anymore."

John Babiarz, chairman of the New Hampshire Libertarian Party, said such an approach represented a generational shift in libertarian thinking.

"A decade ago, we tried to make changes by lobbying politicians and talking to people, and we got nowhere," Babiarz said. "The newer breed of younger people are making the same arguments, but instead of through the State House, they’re doing it in public by creating a public spectacle. As long as it’s done peacefully, it makes for great political theater and it brings the issue into the news."

Like all political parties, Babiarz said, the Libertarian Party includes both purists and pragmatists. The two sides may disagree over tactics while still sharing the same goals.

Critics in the movement say libertarians can have a bigger impact by working with the existing power structures. Gorman, for example, leads tours of the State House for libertarians who want to see government from the inside. He encourages his students to meet their local representatives, observe the lobbying process and submit their own legislation. He said he’s already grooming potential candidates for next year’s elections.

Staged protests might make sense in oppressive police states, Gorman said. But in New Hampshire, the relatively relaxed political environment make such displays unnecessary.

"This is not a closed society where it’s difficult to reach your elected official, as it is in a lot of states," Gorman said. "If you want to talk to the governor, walk into the chamber at the next council meeting and do it."

His advice for frustrated libertarians: "Your first job is to be a good citizen. Get involved in the Boy Scouts, in local boards and committees, in the volunteer fire department. Seek political office, if you like, and bring your philosophy into the realm of government."

Such advice holds little attraction for Kanning. He claims not to have paid federal income tax since 1998 and drives without a valid driver’s license because he thinks it’s a nuisance. He’s considering burning his Social Security card. The idea of speaking before the Legislature disgusts him.

"I wish there weren’t things like government because they just get in the way of us living our lives," he said. "I don’t want to have to deal with it at all."

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« Reply #371 on: June 07, 2005, 02:16:16 am »

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417922/posts

I gave up on the freepers about 30 seconds after they started.

Freerepublic.com has descended into a combination flamefest and inside joke. It started out as a great online movement, but I see little evidence today that it's anything other than a big internet wankfest. No matter what gets posted there, no matter the merit, within three posts the thread is a derisive flamefest.

I've got no time for the freepers. They need to spend some time working for change, instead of beating off about how they just showed so-and-so.

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« Reply #372 on: June 12, 2005, 08:55:01 am »

New Hampshire Free Stater chooses arrest over TSA compliance

This gentleman went to jail so you folks could debate the merits of his cause.  Don't let his sacrifice go to waste!

"Unidentified Flying Objector" charged, jailed over I.D./patdown refusal

From NHfree.com
Manchester, N.H.
6/11/05

Right on schedule and true to his word, 35-year-old Russell Kanning of Keene, New Hampshire attempted to board his flight at Manchester Airport Saturday...without showing I.D. or submitting to a pat-down.

The "Unidentified Flying Objector" and 15 of his supporters found themselves slightly outnumbered by police, TSA "suits" and FBI agents, at least two of whom surveyed Kanning's home all morning and politely followed his car to the airport.

Entering the security checkpoint clutching a Bible and a copy of the Declaration of Independence, Kanning spent four minutes conversing with security and state troopers.  A TSA employee stood in the metal detector to block his way.  Kanning showed his boarding pass and requested passage to his flight but refused to show I.D., remove clothing or submit to a patdown.

"That's the way it used to be done; we fought 40 years of Cold War without needing those things," said his wife Kat Dillon, who watched with mixed feelings from twenty feet away.  "But now we have all these alphabet agencies that take more of our money; they make it too tough for our pilots to arm themselves and still don't protect us very well."

Six media representatives including a Manchester TV crew documented Kanning's progress - or lack thereof - as state troopers flanked him, held him loosely by the arms and escorted him away from the checkpoint.   After Kanning promised them he would continue peacefully trying to board his flight until arrested or allowed to do so "the pre-911 way", officials placed him under arrest and took him to a small "law enforcement center" near the airport entrance.

Mike Fisher, a friend of Kanning's who witnessed the arrest, says the bearded NHfree.com activist was charged with criminal trespass, a Class B misdemeanor.  Then they transported him to Rockingham County Jail, where he will remain for at least two days...until arraigned at Derry District Court Monday morning.   Fisher says his understanding is that the Class B charge means no there will be no additional jail time for Kanning.  Fisher himself is no stranger to civil disobedience.  He earned statewide notice last month for performing a manicure without a license - in front of the licensing board.   His penalty - a Class A misdemeanor charge and a 30 day suspended sentence - was harsher than Kanning's.

Harsh or not, Kanning's sacrifice is meant to draw attention to what he calls an out of control "papers please" approach forced on travelers by government.   He's urging Washington to end its involvement in airline security, pointing out that D.C. commandeers billions for it while making it difficult for pilots to arm themselves and using bailouts to prevent airlines from being held accountable.

"In a free country," he adds, "you do not need government permission to travel."

Liberty-related activity has been on the rise in New Hampshire since the state was targeted for migration by a libertarian group, the Free State Project, in 2003.  So far at least 107 activists have moved here.  Kanning is a member of NHfree.com, a loose-knit network set up by local Free Staters and conservative/libertarian New Hampshire natives.  It works to reduce government and currently runs the state's most active political forum, where the next arrest is already being planned.   

Other media coverage:

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=88968
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NH_LIBERTARIANS_PROTEST_NHOL-?SITE=NHMAL&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Info on the libertarian migration to New Hampshire:
www.FreeStateProject.org
www.NHfree.com


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« Reply #374 on: June 14, 2005, 02:06:30 pm »

Here is a list of forums that currently are not getting much traffic about the FSP and would benefit from these press releases!

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http://www.strike-the-root.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.pl

More I will post later if and when I find them.
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