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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2004, 11:58:25 pm »

If one little old lady brought the prohibition of alcohol to fruition, then one person can surely get the whole town of Grafton against us. At least him/her thinks so.

Don't worry, we'll be there on the 19th Sniper/MaryQueenOfScots.
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2004, 11:59:51 pm »

> Child-Molestation

Twisting facts again, are we?
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2004, 12:01:26 am »

By the way, still waiting for you to have a discussion with the right people at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free_Town_Project

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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2004, 12:13:51 am »

> we're expecting you cowards (oh my, did I say that?) to continue to hide your pretty faces behind your cold gray computers

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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2004, 12:38:30 am »

<<That's about all I needed to read.  I had been idly considering the FTP, and now that idle interest has been killed.  >>

LOL I was going to say the opposite...sounds like an anarchist paradise!  

But I'm not an anarchist I just want to be left alone by the gov so a city will do just fine for me too.

Still appreciate you Mary, keep up the interesting reports...they sound like something out of a Joe Haldeman novel!    
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2004, 07:55:22 am »

If one little old lady brought the prohibition of alcohol to fruition, then one person can surely get the whole town of Grafton against us. At least him/her thinks so.

Don't worry, we'll be there on the 19th Sniper/MaryQueenOfScots.

But you don't call, you don't write! We need to know how many plates of cookies to set out! After all, we don't want to appear unhospitable to our new neighbors now, do we?

Love and kisses,

Mary
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2004, 08:19:10 am »

> Child-Molestation

Twisting facts again, are we?

Darlin, one count I could understand, but 29? It was one really good good ol' boy southern lawyer who got our Larry off on a helluva technicality, now, wasn't it?  Which is the same thing that will happen to you guys once you have dug up the first spadeful of dirt...actually, probably long after your cute lil porcupine butts have sunk their life savings into that beautiful bit of swampland. Hooboy, that's a fight I'll gladly pay to see, perched on one of those rusty old schoolbuses that looks down on your Promised Land -- that incidentally has been leaking all sorts of technicolor fluids into what will soon be your pristine drinking water -- to see the quills fly! You've probably never had to rescue an old coondog after he tussled with a porcupine...let me tell you, it ain't pretty...

Besides, we already have a copy of Larry's official court record in our possession...there you go again, the juicy things you learn from the FOIA, courtesy of that nasty old Uncle Sam, and imagine! All without leaving the confines of our lovely little town.

And the local newspaper regularly prints a list with names and street addresses of all known child molesters living in town -- regardless of whether their convictions were real, imagined, or thrown out, and regardless of whether they occurred in New Hampshire or some hogswamp backwater in the Sunshine State.

You probably don't know this, but New Hampshire is one of three states that in child molestation cases assumes the perp is guilty, until proven innocent. (Yes I know, add that to the list of things you'll change once you take us over, but that's how things lie right now.) That means that if our beloved Larry looks cross-eyed at some wide-eyed tot in front of the general store, he'll be whisked away and have the burden of proving that he didn't do a damned thing. And with his prior record and the incredibly graceful way you all have sashayed into town, well, I wish you lots of luck. In the McMurray case down in Taxachusetts, the main perp -- who was innocent, btw -- was freed a couple of weeks ago after NINETEEN YEARS in the pen.

Hope this helps! I look forward to your next question!

TTFN,

Your Ever Lovin Mary

PS: Me and the Snipes missed you last night! We had a rollickin ol time, but it would have been majorly enhanced if we only had your lovely being present. When will you send your jpg like you promised?
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2004, 10:25:25 am »

> child molester

Don't you mean convicted for possession of child pornography? Where do you glean child molester out of that? Trying to stir up trouble?
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2004, 04:03:56 pm »

29 counts probably means there were 29 .jpgs, or something.

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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2004, 05:40:01 pm »

Sniper/MaryQueenOfScots lists it as 129 charges on their website.
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2004, 07:41:44 am »

I haven't been keeping up with the boards for 6-7 months so just wondering when did this whole free town thing start and how many people are moving?

also Mary - you're the one that seems like a loon in this discussion, ALthough I'm generally against trying to go into a pre-established town and integrate ourselves amongst them. If you really don't think they are a threat to your town why do you keep trying to stir up trouble/attack them? You obviously have done quite a bit of research about the background of the people who are moving in.

 Unless you think they are going to go up and down hollering on main street, I don't see why you can't at least be Civil. 20 people can't do much to a town unless they have the town's supoort too, which you obviously don't think they can get, so what's the problem?
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2004, 08:16:02 am »

 If you all got any sense at all you need to listen to this lady even if  it turns out all her observations are not  accurate.                  
[quote  All in all, though, it sounds like the kind of place where people are entirely "live and let live." And that's what Porcupines are all about. I like it.
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Yes, most of them but obviously not ALL of them...they want to move in and immediately take over. I visited the town offices today and heard that the more obnoxious and arrogant of them might as well wear a Red L imprinted on their foreheads...

Mary
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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2004, 08:28:40 am »

 They should not but it is still a good idea to hear her out.
How can anyone believe that this person speaks for the entire town of Grafton?
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2004, 08:48:18 am »

also Mary - you're the one that seems like a loon in this discussion, ALthough I'm generally against trying to go into a pre-established town and integrate ourselves amongst them. If you really don't think they are a threat to your town why do you keep trying to stir up trouble/attack them? You obviously have done quite a bit of research about the background of the people who are moving in.

 Unless you think they are going to go up and down hollering on main street, I don't see why you can't at least be Civil. 20 people can't do much to a town unless they have the town's supoort too, which you obviously don't think they can get, so what's the problem?

While the whole of Grafton doesn't yet think the Free Town Project is a real threat to the town, the powers-that-be are keeping a close watch on it. You need to go back and read my earlier posts describing the town and the hostile people on this forum who couldn't just use the info to learn about the town and leave it at that.

There are some facts about the town and the people in it that the fingerpointers are blissfully ignorant about. They start with the delusional John Babiarz, who threw the first stone when he and Rosalie told you he had the support of 125 people in the town. Not only did he NOT have that support back in February when he told the FT scouters this, but in a recent meeting, once facts started to trickle into town about what the FTP was really about, people came down hard on him for opening his mouth without first thinking, a not-so-endearing trait that unfortunately John has exercised freely since moving here years ago. We expect it to be even worse at the June 19th meeting. So now his support is down to 2: himself and Rosalie.

Free Towners: Tell the truth: I know you are pretty dismayed at the way Babiarz has been incognito, unhelpful, and reneging on promises made in the heat of his announcement to you on Super Bowl Sunday: "With just 20 Porcupines, we can take over the town." He, along with Jason, is doing his best to distance himself from the FTP, but at least Jason had the balls to publicly answer the criticism right here on the board. The same cannot be said for Babiarz.

Number two, there is a realtor who is horribly misleading you as to what you can and cannot do with large lots of land, not only in Grafton but in other rural towns in the state. Or maybe he's just really ignorant in telling you "As long as the septage is not thrown onto the ground, it is Live Free or Die." What a laugh. There are numerous residents who have wrestled with not only the state but the town Health Office (surprise! I don't think you knew we had one! And boy can he be a hard-ass when he doesn't like someone) over perfectly designed and state approved septic systems and well designs.

There are other occasions when the state requires the town to work together and justify certain developments -- hmmm, can you say Large Subdivision? -- that even if the town wanted to weasel out of it, they couldn't. I fell out of my chair at a post that said subdivision approval would take 30 days...

Yes, I know Zack and Company have been through our state RSAs with a fine tooth comb and he's deemed Grafton to be the future home of Polygamist Marriage, drug storefronts, and Red Light Districts, but there are a couple of really tiny but solid ties between town and state government that still matter and where the state has the final answer. In essence, you can't just come into a tiny town and put up what amounts to a suburban subdivision if it is wildly out of character for the town. While the town may welcome it for the tax revenue, the state will squash it for a whole slew of reasons. You thought Vermont was extremely restrictive on its development rights? New Hampshire can be equally bad, and in some cases, much worse.

So go ahead, buy up more huge parcels of land to build your Free Town Utopia.  Then when you discover you can't squeeze 46 lots into 237 acres of land, well, I and many other long-time Graftonites can't wait for the fire sale and/or auctions that result. BTW, that 237 acre parcel had been on the market for four or five years before Bob Hull came along and proclaimed it Ground Zero for Free Staters everywhere. Bob, I can't really blame you, but unless you know the precise questions to ask, the realtor is not obligated to tell you that, no, you cannot subdivide a parcel like that in a town like this. The state won't allow it, despite the RSAs quoted. And if he DID say you could subdivide it, well, I'm not sure if you could sue him for misrepresentation, but, boy would I be pretty pissed off. You could always complain to the State Board of Realtors...

If you haven't gotten the point, the entire town is also pissed off at the realtor, who doesn't even own property in town -- check your tax maps, Zack.

Mary
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Re:Grafton 101 Part Two
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2004, 10:02:31 am »

Mary thinks for the info, although I've never had any intentions of moving to a small town in New Hampshire, it's still intresting to read what it's like. What the ftp people are going to have to deal with if they do move.

But what I still want to know, is why do you not want them moving in so bad?, Like you say 20 people can't change a town so dug-in, so Is there any reason? If the ftp members have been rude to the town as a general, I could see why, but I don't belive that's occured.

Unless you are paranoid there obviously had to be a reason before you went searching through criminal records, most people don't just do that for fun. Like what is the reason that you are attacking the ftp group as a whole? Unless they've got some fringe doctrines where they are going about this thourgh force instead of education(which is enitrly against any libertarian principals), what's the problem with them?

Thanks
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