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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2002, 10:08:54 pm »

Byron,

We are in a similar circumstance. I have an elderly mother who would not adjust to a change in location or lifestyle at this stage of her life.  Similarly also, I was a health care professional for 30 years, but I decided I'd had enough of that, and I won't be going back into practice anywhere.
I don't know what I consider myself politically--but anti-state sums it up fairly well.

One of the things I am finding in this forum is a lot of people who insist on a government so there is a mechanism  to force their ideas of morality, proper behavior, and standards on everyone else, even though their freedom, life and property are not in danger.

It appears they think the Constitution contains an article that guarantees them the right not to be offended, so there has to be laws and a strong-arm entity to ensure that.  

I like your approach to intolerable laws.  Problem is, I wonder if you would be given the opportunity to ignore the intolerable ones.  Apparently, the operating theory is that, under a democracy,  it's OK for the majority to vote things into existance that violate other peoples' rights.  That's where we are in the US right now.  A majority votes that it's OK to rob the productive people in the country of the fruits of their labor and redistribute it to the lazy or unproductive ones.  It's OK for the majority to decide that people can't take certain chemical substances into their bodies, but other chemicals are permitted. And finally, if a person does these proscribed things, the state has the right to lock you in a cage, steal your property, ruin your family and business, or kill you.

I wonder why people think a democracy is an acceptible form of government.  The virtues of the early American Republic was NOT that it was a  democracy--it was that it
guaranteed the rights of every individual, and put it in writing.

The next illogical response to this post will be--the free state can't be free without laws and some way  to enforce them.  The implication apparently is that either there will be a lot of laws controlling every aspect of a person's life, or there will be none at all.  Some peoples' concept of freedom is beyond me.  Laws don't stop criminals from plying their trade.  And many and more intrusive laws don't do anything to turn sociopaths into model citizens.
Here's an idea.  Everybody get your own personal little "state", make yourself King or Queen or Emperor, or dictator or whatever makes you feel comfortable, and you can have any damn laws you want, because you won't be violating anyones' rights-- unless they volunteer to submit to your tyranny.  

Are we going to repeat the errors of the past in the new free state? Free State? Free of what?
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2002, 10:52:35 pm »

Mouseborg,

Anyone looking at that description can easily see the course the United States has followed, right down to where we are now - somewhere between the next to last and last stages, depending on your level of pessimism. The thing is that it isn't a linear progression; by the time a country gets to the apathetic stage it's a rapidly descending slide from which there is no recovery. The "system" is irrevocably broken. Try convincing any member of Congress, save someone like Ron Paul, that we have a government  operating outside the limits of the Constitution. See how far you get. That's why we need the FSP.
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2002, 12:57:01 am »

Well...there is at least one tattooist.  ;D

Oh yeah...I'm teetering between anarchocapitalist and minarchist. It goes back and forth...for me...ah it's a confusing lot in life  ;)
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2002, 02:17:06 am »


Well...there is at least one tattooist.  ;D
Great my older kids will be wanting to make appointments when we get there I'm sure.  Do you do Winnie-the-Pooh?  My 23 year old daughter has one Pooh already.  :)


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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2002, 10:17:27 am »

I do hope that next time we attend a big convention, e.g. of the LP, that we expose some skin and wear FSP logo tattoos:  
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/Tattoo/Temporary/
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2002, 10:53:41 am »

I do hope that next time we attend a big convention, e.g. of the LP, that we expose some skin and wear FSP logo tattoos:  
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/Tattoo/Temporary/

ROFL

How much skin you have in mind?  

We seem to have a nudist faction who could probably attract a LOT of publicity!
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2002, 02:33:28 pm »

I requested body art designs on the main group and only got one submission -- I'm ready to buy temp tattooos as soon as we get a good design.

Needs to be 2x2.
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2002, 11:54:21 am »

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How much skin you have in mind?  

We seem to have a nudist faction who could probably attract a LOT of publicity!
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I can just see that on national news.  What a hoot.  Me, EJ, and few others and we make big headlines.  Imagine the live interviews. ;D ;D
I bet reporters would be scrabbling to "uncover" the truth about the FSP.

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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2002, 02:30:55 pm »

 ;D

Yeah, then after that maybe we can do "Girls of the FSP" or "Guys of the FSP" calendar for a fund raiser!!  :o

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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2002, 10:16:43 pm »

I'm a noob to message boards, but this is a quote from someone that makes me feel a lot better.  Just wanted to say thank you for not scaring me like some of these other people.
 
"Pay attention to the general discussion, and ignore the noise, which has included (very little really) talk of violence, secession, racism, and recently socialism.

Anyway, we should be keeping our eyes on the prize, and talking more practical strategy and less about theory"

I'll read a few more nights, but if you really are non-violent and not committed to secession then I'll sign up.
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2002, 10:43:28 pm »

Yep, just read our FAQ and it shows what we are all about. :)

http://www.freestateproject.org/faqs.htm
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2002, 08:22:34 am »


I'm a noob to message boards, but this is a quote from someone that makes me feel a lot better.  Just wanted to say thank you for not scaring me like some of these other people.

"Pay attention to the general discussion, and ignore the noise, which has included (very little really) talk of violence, secession, racism, and recently socialism.

Anyway, we should be keeping our eyes on the prize, and talking more practical strategy and less about theory"

I'll read a few more nights, but if you really are non-violent and not committed to secession then I'll sign up.

Tim, hello and welcome... it's great to have people joining the discussion who seem to have a level head. We really are not violent and are Not commited to secession. Sometimes some of the posts Do shake me up a bit, but I keep reminding myself a handful of people are posting and yet look at our numbers (908 so far but obviously that will keep increasing). It's just the more colorful members that tend to do a lot of posting. The other 800+ members I'm assuming are just folks who want liberty in their lifetime - pure and simple; no axe to grind about public nudity, private RPG ownership or any other such thing.
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2002, 01:18:38 pm »


I keep reminding myself a handful of people are posting and yet look at our numbers (908 so far but obviously that will keep increasing). It's just the more colorful members that tend to do a lot of posting. The other 800+ members I'm assuming are just folks who want liberty in their lifetime - pure and simple; no axe to grind about public nudity, private RPG ownership or any other such thing.


We are about tolerance, unlike the airline who fired the employee for testifying in a court of law that she had broken the law. And since we are about tolerance, we have among our ranks some who care very strongly about a variety of issues that may be politically or socially incorrect.  But we are tolerant.

Cathleen in SC
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2002, 02:04:47 pm »

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I'll read a few more nights, but if you really are non-violent and not committed to secession then I'll sign up.


I am the FSP Secretary, and a fairly active member of the Publicity Committee.  Trust me: as an employee of Raytheon, the US's third-largest defense company, I would be out of the FSP instantly if it were anything else.  
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Re:What type of people are in the FSP?
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2002, 02:07:19 pm »


I'll read a few more nights, but if you really are non-violent and not committed to secession then I'll sign up.


Why do you equate secession with violence?
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