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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2003, 11:01:29 am »

It's too bad you have so little faith in the people of the FSP, Hank.

New Hampshire's political accessability, receptivity and record of success more than makes up for our higher population.

http://www.freestatenh.com/SAQ.html#pop

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Where it all began, it's happening again.

New Hampshire. Live free or die.

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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2003, 11:23:59 am »

It's too bad you have so little faith in the people of the FSP, Hank.

New Hampshire's political accessability, receptivity and record of success more than makes up for our higher population.

http://www.freestatenh.com/SAQ.html#pop

I believe the people here can move mountains.

Where it all began, it's happening again.

New Hampshire. Live free or die.

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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2003, 11:32:58 am »

See ya in NH EMOR  :D
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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2003, 12:01:09 pm »

It's too bad you have so little faith in the people of the FSP, Hank.

New Hampshire's political accessability, receptivity and record of success more than makes up for our higher population.
Maynard, I've been around too many people for too many decades to have much faith in their support for liberty. It matters not whether they are from west, east, north or south. Apparently New Hampshire doesn't have much faith in people either.

I looked some up some of your state's laws at your state's website.
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/indexes/XXX.html
They require licenses for darn near anything.
I'd bet local governments require permits for the rest of anything.
If NH is a Free State I'll eat my hat.
                                                                                                                                               
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State of New Hampshire
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Title XXX: Occupations and Professions

Chapter 309-B: New Hampshire Accountancy Act
Chapter 310-A: Professional Engineers, Architects, Land Surveyors, Professional Geologists and Natural Scientists
Chapter 310-B: State Licensed or Certified Real Estate Appraisers
Chapter 311: Attorneys and Counselors
Chapter 311-B: Auctioneers
Chapter 313-A: Barbering, Cosmetology, and Esthetics
Chapter 314: Electrologists
Chapter 314-A: Tattoo Parlors
Chapter 315: Podiatry
Chapter 316-A: Chiropractic
Chapter 317-A: Dentists and Dentistry
Chapter 318: Pharmacists and Pharmacies
Chapter 318-B: Controlled Drug Act
Chapter 319-C: Electricians
Chapter 320: Hawkers and Peddlers
Chapter 321: Itinerant Vendors
Chapter 321-A: Carnival-Amusement Operators
Chapter 322: Junk Dealers
Chapter 323: Lightning Rod Dealers and Salesmen
Chapter 325: Embalmers and Funeral Directors
Chapter 325-A: Crematories
Chapter 326-B: Registered Nurses, Licensed Practical Nurses, and Licensed Nursing Assistants
Chapter 326-C: Occupational Therapists
Chapter 326-D: Midwifery
Chapter 326-E: Respiratory Care Practitioners
Chapter 326-F: Speech-Language Pathology Practice Act
Chapter 326-G: Athletic Trainers
Chapter 326-H: Licensed Dietitians
Chapter 326-I: Interpreters for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing
Chapter 327: Optometry
Chapter 327-A: Ophthalmic Dispensing
Chapter 328-A Physical Therapy
Chapter 328-B: Massage Therapists and Massage Establishments
Chapter 328-C: Marital Mediators
Chapter 328-D: Physician Assistants
Chapter 328-E: Naturopathic Health Care Practice
Chapter 328-F: Allied Health Professionals
Chapter 328-G: Acupuncture
Chapter 329: Physicians and Surgeons
Chapter 329-A: Plumbers and Plumbing
Chapter 330-A: Mental Health Practice
Chapter 330-C: Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse Professionals
Chapter 331-A: New Hampshire Real Estate Practice Act
Chapter 331-B: Shorthand Court Reporting
Chapter 332-A: Licensing Standards Established
Chapter 332-B: New Hampshire Veterinary Practice Act
Chapter 332-D: Sunday Business Activities
Chapter 332-E: Water Treatment Plant Operators and Water Distribution System Personnel
Chapter 332-G: General Administration of Regulatory Boards and Commissions
Chapter 332-H: Distribution of Publications
Chapter 332-I: Medical Records
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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2003, 12:27:43 pm »

You're generalizing, Hank..... I don't remember the last time I got a license for anything, except driving, since I helped open a downtown business in 1992.

Take a look at the list you put up. They are largely medical professions. I trust most states require licenses for people practicing medicine.

And if you were working with the people I am working with, you would have more faith in our future.

And I make a GREAT BBQ sauce to go with that hat..... ;)

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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2003, 12:34:01 pm »



New Hampshire's political accessability, receptivity and record of success more than makes up for our higher population.
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I believe the people here can move mountains.


Thing bothers me about New Hampshire, they've got this population eager to welcome libertarian ideas, they've got lots of FSP and Libertarian Activists on the ground already, I've never heard a New Hampster post anything here that opposes our coming there whereas I have heard nothing but opposition from Wyomingites... and yet, and yet, after all those Activists in New Hampshire working on all those Liberty Lovers all this time, they still haven't convinced more than one or two percent of them to be Real libertarians.
Sounds like all that are going to be convinced have been convinced, leaving over a million who will never ever ever repeal all Victimless Crime Laws.

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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2003, 02:32:53 pm »

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Sounds like all that are going to be convinced have been convinced, leaving over a million who will never ever ever repeal all Victimless Crime Laws.
And there is the rub.
Libertarians often circulate and talk with other libertarians who agree with them. A few dozen like-minded libertarians get together and get so enthused about all their support. They don't realize enough what Zack says above. There is a million-strong hoard of statist supporters out there. If a majority (a few hundred thousand) of those voters are not brought into the fold, we're sunk. The argument being made in this thread is that fewer have to be converted in smaller population states.
Oh, oh.
The New Hampsters are saying that New Hampsters are already converted.
Yeah?
Then why all those laws, regulations, licenses, and all?

Maynard,
Over half of those laws I posted are for non-medical professions: such as engineers, plumbers, hawkers and peddlers. Do you count tattooists, cosmetologists and massage therapists in medical?

Why does New Hampshire license massage, tatoos, manicures or hair cuts?
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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2003, 02:41:41 pm »

Tatooists, certainly. Blood, needles, infections.

Hair stylists shouldn't be regulated, tho, certainly.

Did you check any other states to see what regs they have on professions?

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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2003, 02:42:59 pm »

Hank,

If you're going to go down this road, you need to prepared to defend a slew of similar regulatory statutes in Wyoming, including engineers, plumbers, hawkers and peddlers:

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Chapter 1 - Licensing Generally
Article 1 - In General
Article 2 - Fees
Chapter 2 - Abstractors
Chapter 3 - Accountants
Article 1 - In General
Article 2 - Accountant Liability
Chapter 4 - Architects
Chapter 5 - Attorneys-at-Law
Chapter 6 - Carnivals, Circuses, Pawnbrokers, Poolrooms and Bowling Alleys
Chapter 7 - Barbers
Article 1 - General Provisions
Article 2 - Certificate of Registration
Article 3 - Schools of Barbering and Instructors
Chapter 8 - Boxing
Chapter 9 - Podiatrists
Chapter 10 - Chiropractors
Chapter 11 - Collection Agencies
Chapter 12 - Cosmetology
Chapter 13 - Dance Hall Operators
Chapter 14 - Debt Adjusters
Chapter 15 - Dentists and Dental Hygienists
Chapter 16 - Embalmers, Funeral Directors, Undertakers and Crematories
Article 1 - In General
Article 2 - State Board of Embalming
Article 3 - Funeral Directors and Undertakers
Article 4 - Crematories
Chapter 17 - Hotel Keepers
Chapter 18 - Junk Dealers
Chapter 19 - Junkyard Control
Chapter 20 - Merchants: Itinerant, Temporary or Transient
Article 1 - Itinerant Merchants
Article 2 - Temporary or Transient Merchants
Chapter 21 - Nurses
Chapter 22 - Nursing Home Administrators
Chapter 23 - Optometrists
Chapter 24 - Pharmacy
Article 1 - In General
Article 2 - Wyoming Drug Identification Act
Article 3 - Pharmacy Technicians
Chapter 25 - Physical Therapists
Chapter 26 - Physicians and Surgeons
Article 1 - General Provisions
Article 2 - Wyoming State Board of Medicine
Article 3 - Licensing
Article 4 - Investigations and Disciplinary Proceedings
Article 5 - Physicians Assistants
Article 6 - Volunteer Physicians and Physician Assistants
Chapter 27 - Psychologists
Chapter 28 - Real Estate Brokers and Salesmen
Article 1 - General Licensing Provisions
Article 2 - Wyoming Real Estate Recovery and Education Funds
Article 3 - Brokerage Relationships
Article 4 - Errors and Omissions Insurance
Chapter 29 - Surveyors and Engineers
Chapter 30 - Veterinarians
Article 1 - In General
Article 2 - Medical Practice
Chapter 31 - Warehousemen, Bonded
Chapter 32 - Eye Care Practitioners
Chapter 33 - Speech Pathologists and Audiologists
Article 1 - General Provisions
Article 2 - Board of Examiners of Speech Pathology and Audiology
Article 3 - License of Speech Pathologists and Audiologists
Chapter 34 - Licensing of Clinical Laboratories and Blood Banks
Chapter 35 - Hearing Aid Specialist Licensure
Chapter 36 - Emergency Medical Services
Chapter 37 - Radiologic Technologist Licensing
Chapter 38 - Professional Counselors, Marriage and Family Therapists, Social Workers and Chemical Dependency Specialists
Chapter 39 - Real Estate Appraisers
Chapter 40 - Occupational Therapy Practice
Chapter 41 - Geologists
Chapter 42 - Water Well Drilling Contractors and Water Well Pump Installation Contractors
Chapter 43 - Respiratory Care Practioners

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/sub33.htm
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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2003, 03:00:49 pm »

Ok so the original purpose of this thread, NH and ID fall to the bottom!  But why?  Population, sure a case can be made to that end, but a case can also be made that NH and ID, because of their diversified ecomonies, and wide range of life style options, also offer us the best opportunity of reaching our goal of 20,000 members.

So lets us look at people, some seem to think that we have a statist under every bed waiting to pounce on us, but is this really true?

Come on half the people don't even vote.  Why?  Well it's been my experience with my friends, and assocaites that most don't vote because they have given up, but when you talk to them they believe much as I do, believe if they really had a choice they would become involved.

To me the FSP is about hope, about belief, about giving people a choice, and belief that they will make the right choices!

Ever wonder why so few people live in some of our candidate states?  Well I have!  The reasons I have seen put for on this forum do not encourage me.

Now that the vote is upon us I would ask each of you when making your choice.  Do I really want to live there?
Can I really convince others to join me there?
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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2003, 03:16:50 pm »



Tatooists, certainly. Blood, needles, infections.
Hair stylists shouldn't be regulated, tho, certainly.


Are you saying that you are in favor of imprisoning tattoo artists who practice without a License from the Government?
This is evil.  Even surgeons ought not to be required to be Licensed by the Government.  What kind of libertarians you people got up there anyway.

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Re:Bottomline vote: NH & ID fall to bottom.
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2003, 03:23:55 pm »

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Ever wonder why so few people live in some of our candidate states?  Well I have!  The reasons I have seen put for on this forum do not encourage me.

Because the east coast states have a 250 year head start on us.
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