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Terry 1956

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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2004, 10:39:48 am »

Bill is actually working on the Concord planning commission (or some commission like that).  He has the mayor's ear as of the last time I spoke with him - a pretty valuable asset if you ask me.  You might not see him at many FSP events (and its not a surprise, considering the reception he gets around here), but on the same note you and I haven't met since I went to that LP meeting when I first came in-state, and we're both active.  But more to your point, I most recently saw him at the Winter Escape, during the Saturday activities.  He brought his son and spent a few hours at the Inn with us.

Leopard brings up a good point.  For all of his focus on geo-libertarianism (which is just as valid a focus as those of us who rant about our own pet issues), Bill is actually working for the FSP.  That puts Bill a step ahead of 90% of the membership.

Actually, I have to dispute this. I have not seen BillG at any FSP related functions here in NH. He has not participated in anything I am aware of. He claims to be a NH resident, and other LPNH members have seen him in the past, but he is not active at this point in time, so far as I have seen.
                                                                             
 It might be a good idea for someone to meet with him and have a one on one talk,  try to get him to come to some of the meetings. personally I think Bill is not near as opposed to  alternatives to the Geo plan as say Todd Altman, Todd has to much of a stake( it seems) to every admit that there may be other ways besides the LVT.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2004, 06:44:51 pm »

I am confident that a fairly big bunch of Local Minarchies could be established within that span of time, via Free Town Projects. But these are akin to invasion [My kind of activism], and as such you surely oppose them vehemently.
Invade one township and you kill our reputation in every other township.  THAT is why I oppose it.  I'm willing to overlook the fact that a "look the other way" approach to most federal and state regulations will likely blow up in your face - and I mean that literally as the federal government is not above another Waco.

And I like the term invasion - not very ZAP of you.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2004, 06:48:34 pm »

I think its doable, 2024, 5 election cycles, 10 for the House, more red ink from the government, the dollar continues to fall, no one will lend the federal government money willingly by then, medical cost continue to increase by double digits percentages.
You never know...perhaps you are right.  I don't see it, but who knows?
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2004, 07:42:41 pm »

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Invade one township and you kill our reputation in every other township.

When are you going to learn that we are going to be seen as enemies by a large percent of New Hampshire residents, not to mention people from other States who love Government and hate freedom?!

Drastic times call for drastic measures. $%&* what the people will think.

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THAT is why I oppose it.  I'm willing to overlook the fact that a "look the other way" approach to most federal and state regulations will likely blow up in your face - and I mean that literally as the federal government is not above another Waco.

This entire Project and Movement is a risk in and of itself. What about that do you not understand??

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And I like the term invasion - not very ZAP of you.


It is what it is. The very FSP is an invasion, Justin! Deny it all that you want; this is the reality.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #64 on: March 23, 2004, 09:53:41 pm »

Drastic times call for drastic measures. $%&* what the people will think.

The FSP *must* not be classified in the media as just another weird Montana freedom fighters group that likes guns.  It's always going to have to walk the fine line between activism and radicalism, but it cannot be seen as a radical organization, or it will be doomed.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2004, 10:01:11 pm »

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Drastic times call for drastic measures. $%&* what the people will think.

The FSP *must* not be classified in the media as just another weird Montana freedom fighters group that likes guns.  It's always going to have to walk the fine line between activism and radicalism, but it cannot be seen as a radical organization, or it will be doomed.

I agree with you, Liberty.  We're trying to win allies and gain broader support in N.H.  I don't even think we can likely get straight LP candidates elected unless we really focused on a small area and even then we'll still need some help.

Aim high but don't take out any low flying aircraft ;)
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2004, 10:09:27 am »

OTOH, we have to be able to have our radicals.  Still, we also have to KEEP THEM FROM DRIVING THE BOAT!!!

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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2004, 03:54:18 pm »

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Invade one township and you kill our reputation in every other township.

When are you going to learn that we are going to be seen as enemies by a large percent of New Hampshire residents, not to mention people from other States who love Government and hate freedom?!

As someone who is here in NH, and has talked to a lot of NH people about the FSP, I can categorically state that your absolutely full of it in your claim here.

While 30% of the NH population is Democrat, a large number of these lean our way, as do a lot of the non-declared. Until you move here and get to know the people, you hae no basis to judge. Even many of the people who disagree with us welcome us as fellow Americans and totally respect our right to have, hold, and act on our own opinions in the political system.

While there are plenty of lefty extremists around, there are good reasons why the liberals in southern New England tell my sister (who lives in Conn) that NH is the wierdest state in the country.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2004, 05:53:49 pm »

When are you going to learn that we are going to be seen as enemies by a large percent of New Hampshire residents, not to mention people from other States who love Government and hate freedom?!  Drastic times call for drastic measures. $%&* what the people will think.
Ahh, the truth comes out.  You're dead wrong here Morph.  They'll see us as enemies if we approach them with your attitude.  Zack Bass and I debated this one a long time ago.  You're welcome to scan the whole thread, but this link goes to where we start to get into that you are talking about:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=3361;start=75

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This entire Project and Movement is a risk in and of itself. What about that do you not understand??
Of course it's a risk.  Crossing the street is a risk.  Skydiving is a risk.  But it should be a priority for us to minimize risk, just as we work to minimize risk in other areas of our lives.

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It is what it is. The very FSP is an invasion, Justin! Deny it all that you want; this is the reality.
Absolutely not.  The FSP is taking nothing by force.  Our success depends on the approval of the people.  This fact is voiced in both the FAQ and a few of the early essays. If we were planning to take an area by force this would be the Free City Project, not the Free State Project.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2004, 11:01:38 pm »

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Drastic times call for drastic measures. $%&* what the people will think.

The FSP *must* not be classified in the media as just another weird Montana freedom fighters group that likes guns.  It's always going to have to walk the fine line between activism and radicalism, but it cannot be seen as a radical organization, or it will be doomed.

I agree with you, Liberty.  We're trying to win allies and gain broader support in N.H.  I don't even think we can likely get straight LP candidates elected unless we really focused on a small area and even then we'll still need some help.

Aim high but don't take out any low flying aircraft ;)
                                                                               
 True you don't want to go out of your way to  anger people, talk to them or get someone who they  respect to talk to them.
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Re:What happened to BillG?
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2004, 11:11:29 pm »

I think its doable, 2024, 5 election cycles, 10 for the House, more red ink from the government, the dollar continues to fall, no one will lend the federal government money willingly by then, medical cost continue to increase by double digits percentages.
You never know...perhaps you are right.  I don't see it, but who knows?
                                                                               
Yeah the government could get deeper and deeper into hot water with its central planning wasteful ways and still fool enough people to hang on but I doubt with increases in technology it will be able to do that in 50 years. The technologies will be in favor of  decentral groups, we just need to hope  the various terrorist and outlaw groups aren't making life unbearable.
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