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Tyler V

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Re:Free State Policy for Government
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2004, 01:06:50 am »

This is the first thread that I have read on this board, and I must say that i am very impressed.  This idea that most people have about a free market with "less" government regulation and intricate systems of "limited" market controls is running rampant in this country among those who call themselves freedom lovers and patriots.  It is very refreshing to see it isntantly shot down by numerous people on this thread.  I like the term Socialism-lite that i saw earlier; that is exactly what anything short of a totally free market is.  While this should be our ultimate goal, I would like to take this opportunity to warn against moving too fast.  The Free State Project is the best way I have ever encountered in my lifetime of acheiving real, non-violent, change in this country, and possibly reclaiming just a little of what our nation used to stand for.  However, we live in very different times than our forefathers, and must be very careful about how rapidly we execute this change.  The only thing worse than not having a Free State Project would be to build one, and then in our frenzy start changing everything at once, thus attracting too much attention from the federal government who will surely be trying to stop us at every turn.  Also, the American public is not what it used to be.  Too much change, too much turmoil all at once becuase of these changes, and we will not gain the support we need to enact any change in the future.  And there will be problems.  Cutting 2/3's of all state government is an admirable goal, and I for one will be fighting with everything i have to help that process along, but there will be immidiate negative effects with all cuts, and even if there are not negative effects, most average voters will preceive a threat anyway and not understand that these are the best choices for a healthy and free society in the long run.  Margaret Thatcher can attest to what a society will do when severe changes are made that directly, adversely, effect the general public, even if for only a limited time.  She basically saved England's economy in the 80's, but she had the power to quell the union uprisings, and general public opposition; we will not.  Privatizing government industry is absolutely necessary for a free society, but our current society will not like it one bit at first.  We must take great pains to spread out the change over time, slowly but surely moving in the right direction, giving people time to uderstand why these policies are beneficial.  

Well, if you've read this far, I thank you.  I am passionate about these ideals and about this organization, so please forgive the long posts.  In the writing of this message I have finally convinced myself to become a member of the FSP.  I never thought I would find so many other true patriots, didn't think there were this many left, but now that I have, and they are organized and passionate, I am looking forward to working with all of you to restore some much-needed freedom to this country.  

P.S.  And for all the pseudo-capitolists out there, who think that a society can be free in any aspect, without an absolutely free market, my suggestion is to read some Hayek, possibly some Friedman, then reexamine exactly what has happened to every single nation that has tried to regulate its economy.  The only characteristic of man that can be absolutely relied upon 100% of the time is that he will always do what is in his best interest.  The only system that allows for, even thrives upon, this is a free market.  
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Re:Free State Policy for Government
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2004, 05:05:11 am »

Excellent! and Welcome Tyler V!

yours in liberty,
michael
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Re:Free State Policy for Government
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2004, 05:22:31 am »

Hi there Tyler :)  Great to have you with us.

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The Free State Project is the best way I have ever encountered in my lifetime of acheiving real, non-violent, change in this country, and possibly reclaiming just a little of what our nation used to stand for.  However, we live in very different times than our forefathers, and must be very careful about how rapidly we execute this change.  The only thing worse than not having a Free State Project would be to build one, and then in our frenzy start changing everything at once, thus attracting too much attention from the federal government who will surely be trying to stop us at every turn.

We're just getting excited but I don't think this will be an issue for a while.  There are going to be enough people digging in their heels for a while that we'll be doing one step forward for every two steps till we get up to speed.

I do agree that not everyone will keep up with the ideas as quickly as most the people here, so time and alternative solutions need to be presented to the public before making large changes ... but there's little reason to worry about that yet.  We're still learning how to crawl ... running is a long way off still ;)

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P.S.  And for all the pseudo-capitolists out there, who think that a society can be free in any aspect, without an absolutely free market, my suggestion is to read some Hayek, possibly some Friedman, then reexamine exactly what has happened to every single nation that has tried to regulate its economy.  The only characteristic of man that can be absolutely relied upon 100% of the time is that he will always do what is in his best interest.  The only system that allows for, even thrives upon, this is a free market.

We can definitely use you!  Welcome aboard
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Re:Free State Policy for Government
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2004, 05:10:02 pm »

Yes! Capitalism is the only economic system which actively promotes Individualism! Lets discover the Free Market, Free Enterprise, and all those other freedoms which Liberty is bound to let flourish!

Good to have you, Tyler.

How did you find your way to the FSP? We need to find more like you!
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Re:Free State Policy for Government
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2004, 07:55:46 pm »

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How did you find your way to the FSP? We need to find more like you!

Well, I have a business partner, and longtime personal freind, who first mention your organization to me.  I researched it, signed up, and he will be signing up very shortly, possibly even another of his associates.  His enthusiasm and dedication are equal, if not greater than, mine; and his principles on freedom and individualism are directly in line with what I have seen here.  

I am not very actively recruiting yet, but I can guarantee you at least one more freedom-loving activist willing to scarifice for the advancement of liberty.  Speaking of sacrifice, I was amazed at how many people were not willing to make the very small sacrifice of  moving to another state.  This is really very little to ask of someone who has already claimed to be fighting for individual liberty.  In fact, I can think of no smaller task that would effect any real change so simply and cheaply.  I'll stop here before I make any heavey-handed remarks and start offending people  ;D
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Re:Free State Policy for Government
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2004, 09:27:44 am »

you will find it much harder to offend those who believe in freedom than the usual statist - don't worry so much about that!  Express your views and others will agree or attack as they see fit... just don't take anything personally!

michael

PS: the only thing really offensive is proposing that the government ought to use force to put into action just about any program/moral guidance/etc
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