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Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« on: February 27, 2004, 03:45:01 pm »

I was asked today why NH is the healthiest state in the country.  Rather than give a quick answer like..."the inherent  culture of freedom and responsibility in NH fosters a healthy way of living..."  I thought I'd ask if anybody had a clue about this that is based in fact and not my opinion  ;)  

See the link on the FSP main page:  http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourhealth/P35618.asp
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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2004, 04:11:26 pm »

Because shoveling the driveways every winter culls the herd. ;)

No. Actually, I don't know. Maybe the self-reliance makes us not want to go running to a doctor for every runny nose... Maybe it's all the popular hiking trails, even in most cities. Maybe it's the fact that NH allows farms to set up stands along the side of the road (where to find the best produce) so we eat lots of farm fresh locally grown vegtables every summer.

Not quite sure.

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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2004, 06:33:03 pm »

The "healthiest state" report was released by this organization:

United Health Foundation
http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/shr2003/

Weighting of Components
http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/shr2003/components/WeightingComponents.html

Risk Factors:
Prevalence of Smoking
Motor Vehicle Deaths
Violent Crime
Risk for Heart Disease
High School Graduation
Children in Poverty
Adequacy of Prenatal Care
Lack of Health Insurance
Support for Public Health Care

Outcome Measures:
Occupational Fatalities
Limited Activity Days
Heart Deaths
Cancer Deaths
Infectious Disease
Total Mortality
Infant Mortality
Premature Death

New Hampshire
http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/shr2003/states/NewHampshire.html

Its biggest strengths include high support for public health care that is 58 percent above the average state and a low infant mortality rate at 4.8 deaths per 1,000 live births.

What?  What are they talking about???  "Support for public healthcare" sounds like a statist's measurement variable to me.

NH DHHS
http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DHHS_SITE/default.htm

"To carry out its responsibilities, DHHS manages a total annual budget of approximately $1.35 billion, employing approximately 3,000 staff."

What's the deal?  Is NH really spending this ridiculous amount of money on the DHHS?
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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2004, 12:32:36 pm »

Support for public health care?

So... by supporting something, it automatically becomes true?

I support me being a billionnaire!

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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2004, 01:05:14 pm »

So... by supporting something, it automatically becomes true?

I support me being a billionnaire!

I think you're conflating two meanings of "support."  They use it to mean financial support.  You're using it to mean support in principle.
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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2004, 03:46:59 pm »

I think NH is the healthiest state because It's probably the least medically socialised.

What do you think? Is that a good theory?

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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2004, 08:50:33 pm »

I would say it is pretty true. John Babiarz and Henry McElroy tell me that the Dept of Health and Human Services is the biggest part of the state budget. Part of this is because the state itself pays so little for education (since it is still mostly local funded)...

Now, you can just say "let's get rid of it" if you want. If you act callously about it, you are gonna piss off a lot of people who would otherwise be our allies. This is the area where libertarians need to put their mouth into practice and prove that we can realistically shift public nanny state funding into private charity funding.

Part of this is finding the many and various organizations which provide public services in HHS areas which are partly funded by state budgets, and help them wean themselves off of tax money. This 'showing by doing' will accomplish more real and lasting results, with less political backlash, in the end, than just going in with a machete and a hockey mask.
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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2004, 11:54:43 pm »

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than just going in with a machete and a hockey mask.


But that approach is so *fun*...
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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2004, 12:47:58 pm »

I have put in hundreds of hours researching NH charities for the NHLA. It is a little frustrating, but ultimately we will have enough information that our friends and members can make giving decisions using whatever strategy they think best. I am torn myself.

NH noprofits fall into 3 types of orgs. One type is the one that does much if not most of the services for the ill and poor. They are licensed and regulated by the Dept. of Health and Human Resources. They are funded either all or in part by the government.

The second type is what I would call  the foundations. Things like Rotary, Lions, United Way. Some are large some are small; all are privately funded and do some great charity work in areas that the first type don't always get involved in. The drawback is that a board is making giving decisions that we as donors might not agree with. Sometimes large donations are going to the orgs of the first type.

The remaining noprofits are the special interest groups like youth sports, historical societies, downtown development and such. Occasionally they receive government funds but mostly they are funded by user/membership fees.

I am now in the process of contacting orgs that appear not to take goverment funds. They provide clarification of funding and permission to list their org on our website www.nhliberty.org
Am getting some interesting responses. I like the idea of weaning orgs off government money but am inclined to support those that don't currently get any. Maybe the best answer of all is starting our own charities.

Cathleen in SC
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Re:Why is NH the "healthiest state"
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2004, 01:08:59 pm »

Now, you can just say "let's get rid of it" if you want. If you act callously about it, you are gonna piss off a lot of people who would otherwise be our allies. This is the area where libertarians need to put their mouth into practice and prove that we can realistically shift public nanny state funding into private charity funding.

I suspect there's already a lot going to social charities and that most folks are not aware of it.  That lack of awareness tends to translate into the assumption that these needs are not being met at all, hence the call for government intervention.  One of the greatest advantages of government-run social welfare is that it is very visible -- all we have to do is look at the budget numbers.

That said, one of the easiest things that can be done, and possibly one of the most effective, is come up with a consolidated way of tracking social charitable contributions, including money and labor, in the state.
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