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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2004, 10:05:11 am »

I just sent in $50.02.  I can't wait to see the ad!

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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2004, 11:20:48 am »

Paypal donation sent.

Go get 'em!  ;D
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2004, 12:01:08 pm »

Oh, the FSP is planning a recruitment mailer to be sent to pro-freedom individuals all over Vermont.

[diabolical laugh begins] We might as well do the mailing in conjunction with the Shadow Ads. [diabolical laugh ends]

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Maybe remind pro-liberty Vermonters what a difference a river makes by including this info:

The Economics of the Connecticut River Valley
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH?
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2004, 12:44:21 pm »

Perhaps we could try to convince pro-liberty counties across the country, or across the world, to secede to New Hampshire!

Talk about a historic political strategy!  :)
                                                                           
  Panarcy I think it is called,  a dude wrote a book on the subject back in the 1800's. A person lives in one state but can select the government of another state to represent him.   It would seem even more viable if local governments could do that.                                                                                    
  Even if local government did so in a symbloic gesture only, it would be something. Hey you might even have Canadian Towns wanting to join NH.                                                              
   
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH?
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2004, 12:47:22 pm »

Just left a message with Killington's town managers office. His secretary was very happy to hear from an FSP member. I expect to hear back from him.

Killington is what is called a 'gold town' in Vermont property tax parlance. A large chunk of their local property taxes goes into what is called derisively 'the shark pool', to be spread around to the property poor towns for their schools. Gold towns have been fighting against the shark pool since it was instituted, arguing that poor towns will not use this money to increase school spending in poor towns, only to reduce their own spending, and this argument has been largely accurate.
Even when a gold town in vermont issues a bond for school construction, a portion of that must go to the shark pool, as must a portion of the tax money that goes to paying off the bond. This is merely a matter of poorly managed towns sponging off the good credit of well managed towns.
Beyond the school funding issue, there is Act 250, which established environmental courts in parallel to the regular court system, by which anyone can prevent you from developing your land. Killington Ski Area, the largest in the nation, has run up against Act 250 restrictions on development for years, and as the largest land owner in Killington Township, they are likely a bit supporter of secession.
                                                                             
 Mike that really is something, the town manager is happy to hear from the FSP, great news.
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2004, 01:05:51 pm »

Well, the radio interview of me by Terri Dudley got some significant repeat airplay. Don't know if that helped spread the memes, but it has raised our exposure in this area.
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2004, 01:07:29 pm »


LR wrote:

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I've FOUND the list of e-mail addresses for SIXTY Vermont newspapers, magazines, and publications!

Who wants it?>>

Can you post it to this thread?
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH?
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2004, 01:08:13 pm »

Perhaps we could try to convince pro-liberty counties across the country, or across the world, to secede to New Hampshire!

Talk about a historic political strategy!  :)
                                                                           
  Panarcy I think it is called,  a dude wrote a book on the subject back in the 1800's. A person lives in one state but can select the government of another state to represent him.   It would seem even more viable if local governments could do that.                                                                                    
  Even if local government did so in a symbloic gesture only, it would be something. Hey you might even have Canadian Towns wanting to join NH.                                                              
   

It also resembles the franchise enclavism that Neal Stephenson predicts in his sf novels Snow Crash and The Diamond Age.
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2004, 01:51:36 pm »


LR wrote:

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I've FOUND the list of e-mail addresses for SIXTY Vermont newspapers, magazines, and publications!

Who wants it?>>

Can you post it to this thread?


Perhaps posting in public is not a good idea.
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2004, 02:11:16 pm »

Why not? It's public info.

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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2004, 02:36:09 pm »

Why not? It's public info.

JM


It is? OK then.  :P

I was just thinking it would make it easier for mail-bomber agent provocateurs if any happen to be lurking here.  
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2004, 04:11:33 pm »

I don't think it's public information so I won't post it... :)

Perhaps in the Members Only area?
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2004, 04:13:40 pm »

Is ANYONE working on some LTEs?

If so, forward them to me, Hardy, or someone else in Vermont and we should be able to send them for you.  That is, if it matters whether or not we're in VT.  Some papers may not print outsider views.
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Re:VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2004, 04:35:43 pm »

Ahh, the beauty of shadow advertising - we let other people create the publicity for us.  Does anybody have a draft of the ad???
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2004, 04:42:51 pm »

An important concept to consider in this whole episode is that we may be able to establish Free State enclaves across the country. This would satisfy those who do not want to move east or north, simply get a town where you are to secede from your state and join NH.
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