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Bama Sam

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Curious...........
« on: December 22, 2003, 11:14:50 am »

I see a lot of talk about "privatizing".
I see "transhumanists".
I see "eco communists".

The last two, I have never heard of. I have noticed that a lot of the notions being bantered about tend to lean toward the socialist/communistic approach.
I came here because of the appeal of less/minimal government, but some of the conversations lead me to think that a tendency to a communal way of thinking is in the air.

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2003, 11:23:34 am »

Sam,

This is an open forum. You don’t have to be a FSP member to participate.

Most FSP members are your garden-variety libertarians or other pro-liberty individuals.

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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2003, 11:44:24 am »


The last two, I have never heard of. I have noticed that a lot of the notions being bantered about tend to lean toward the socialist/communistic approach.
I came here because of the appeal of less/minimal government, but some of the conversations lead me to think that a tendency to a communal way of thinking is in the air.

Though they tend to be the loudest amoung us, they are by no means a majority (just a handful and have no chance of actually implementing their schemes).  Welcome, hope you join.
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2003, 11:49:20 am »

Yeah, BillG and his buddies are just marginal and confused Greens.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2003, 01:36:31 pm »

Agreed.  To know whom too ignore, see below.   ;D
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2003, 10:17:58 pm »

     Join us! The vast majority of FSP members are individualists and NOT socialistic or communal. The collectivistic poison a handful of individuals spread here is to be expected in a world as steeped in insanity and irrationality as ours. Just ignore them. They are maybe 10 out of 5000.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2003, 10:28:34 pm »

just stay out of the geo-ghetto and your true libertarian roots won't be challenged...

;)

btw, the "eco-commie" term was pinned on us not by choice but we actually consider ourselves the only "true" classical liberals here.

Mike can explain what a transhumanist is and I am suprised you have never heard of the term "privatizing"...

I think you will find that the "Left Libertarians" enjoy debating, are reasonable when push comes to shove, and are fair minded.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2003, 06:21:58 pm »

and I am suprised you have never heard of the term "privatizing"

"The last two, I have never heard of".
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2003, 11:14:48 am »

There are a few threads here about transhumanism and extropians. Check them out. For more info, see:

http://www.extropy.org
http://www.transhumanism.org

You can also read a number of articles about both on Wired Magazine's archives.

eco-communists are essentially Greens in all of their manfiestations. They are socialists that use the rubric of environmental protection to justify statist regulatory and taxation policies that serve their socialist goals. They have turned it into an environmentalist religion that tolerates no heresy, no protestants, and no apostates.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2003, 01:52:21 pm »

Hey everyone.  I'm new around here.  I heard about this project today while reading a column by Walter Williams.  It's a great idea and one I've thought about even before I heard about this.  

A couple questions:  First, will their be a network set up to help the people adjust to moving to New Hampshire, that is, finding jobs, churches, and social activities?
Second, while I have strong Libertarian leanings, I'm anit illegal immigration, and I support a strong foriegn policy.  I do however believe firmly that government exists for the sole purpose of protecting the freedom of it's people and that every choice government makes must be viewed in the light of freedom.  Would I be welcome with my views?
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2003, 02:00:45 pm »

I think you will fit in fine, Scipio, as long as you don't try to force any view on any other member.  As you can tell by reading these forums, our members have an extremely wide range of views.  Hope you join.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2003, 02:15:04 pm »

Hey everyone.  I'm new around here.  I heard about this project today while reading a column by Walter Williams.  It's a great idea and one I've thought about even before I heard about this.  

A couple questions:  First, will their be a network set up to help the people adjust to moving to New Hampshire, that is, finding jobs, churches, and social activities?
Second, while I have strong Libertarian leanings, I'm anit illegal immigration, and I support a strong foriegn policy.  I do however believe firmly that government exists for the sole purpose of protecting the freedom of it's people and that every choice government makes must be viewed in the light of freedom.  Would I be welcome with my views?

I'm just like you, scipio.  I've always wondered whether there were many other libertarians who opposed wide open borders.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2003, 06:13:15 pm »

Hey everyone.  I'm new around here.  I heard about this project today while reading a column by Walter Williams.  It's a great idea and one I've thought about even before I heard about this.  

A couple questions:  First, will their be a network set up to help the people adjust to moving to New Hampshire, that is, finding jobs, churches, and social activities?
Second, while I have strong Libertarian leanings, I'm anit illegal immigration, and I support a strong foriegn policy.  I do however believe firmly that government exists for the sole purpose of protecting the freedom of it's people and that every choice government makes must be viewed in the light of freedom.  Would I be welcome with my views?

We have a network set up of a couple people in each county so far to help out, and are looking for more. Those we help we'd like to see pay the favor forward as well.

Your views are very similar to mine, at least in regard to current day politics, so don't worry about it. The FSP does not have litmus tests beyond the basic principle of being for building a more free state with smaller government and less taxation.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2003, 06:37:09 am »

re: Open borders and such

I believe that those classified as pure 'libertarian' would advocate for unlimited immigration et al, but most folks here seem to agree that with our present welfare state AND this terrorist mess we are in because of the last 100 years of foreign policy, it simply isn't doable, realistic, or safe...

I, myself, am an 'open-borders' kinda guy BUT I balk when I see illegal immigrants being granted government services without contributing... I don't think that as far as our 'safety' is concerned, that it really matters is we open our borders more or not (seems strange, i understand) - my thinking is that unless we are prepared to wall/fence/patrol our entire border (land/sea) then we are going to be very vulnerable - I know that our present condition is NOT safe and I am VERY surprised that we have not been attacked further upon our home soil... it certainly isn't due to the homeland security people or the patriot act(s)... must be that terrorists are inherantly lazy because it would be relatively simple for any one of them to create panic on our shores if they put 2 cents worth of thought into it... ya definitely don't need planes, and hitting some po-dunk town in the west would scare me more than New York because it is our 'heart'...

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2003, 11:23:50 pm »

I think that "communal" is not something to shy away from.  I am communal by nature.  I would have loved to practice co-housing or some other intentional community during my heydey.  Having a communal attitude does not imply that you are a communist.  Much like you do not have to smoke pot to support its legalization, you do not have to be a gun-toting rugged individualist to be a libertarian.

And don't listen to Justin's little list.  I got on his geo-commie list because I tell people to stop picking fights with those who disagree.  Debate is one thing, but there were cases of proposed crusades and cyber-ethnic clensings. Very few people on this board agree on 100% of the issues.  Don't come in thinking that you're in a room full of ZAPs or Randroids.  There is a lot of political diversity in the FSP, as well there should be.
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