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Kill your TV
« on: September 29, 2002, 12:54:49 pm »

There are three ways to measure the effect of TV on viewers 1) attention span reduction, 2) outright brainwashing and, 3) the combined effect of these techniques to make it nearly impossible for regular TV watchers to identify or respond to logical fallacies.


1) Attention Span:

This link discusses how pre-school children, who are exposed to a ‘normal’ amount of TV, tend to wait patiently for adults to initiate action and seem to have less need or desire to engage in creative play.
http://www.waldorf-swlondon.ndo.co.uk/thresholds/tv.html

This link discusses the problem of attention span in school children. http://www.kinderstart.com:8080/kindertoday/1019843119/index_html

This link discusses the connection between Alzheimer’s and TV watching.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1204894.stm


2) Brainwashing

This link discusses the mechanisms of brainwashing.
http://www.dcd.net/NBP/persuasn.html

This link discusses how TV conveys the message that guns are bad without having to directly address the issue.
http://www.seark.net/~jlove/media.htm

This link discusses the current Bush Administration political brainwashing techniques.
http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm  

This link discusses religious brainwashing techniques as used by the Scientologists.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/


3) Propaganda

This link discusses modern propaganda techniques.
http://carmen.artsci.washington.edu/propaganda/home.htm  

This link is to Stephen’s Guide to the Logical Fallacies.
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

The following is an Onion Editorial:
http://persweb.direct.ca/kentm/onion/Lowest%20Common%20Denominator%20Continues%20To%20Plummet.htm
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Re:Kill your TV
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2002, 01:29:33 pm »

This is a NO BRAINER,SHOOT THAT THING AND READ A BOOK INSTEAD!
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2002, 02:25:45 pm »

My TV is used for movies and games. I don't have cable, satellite, or an antenna. I haven't watched TV in months. Don't miss it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2002, 09:35:44 pm »

Damnit, I like my TV, and I'm not ashamed to say it.

I have well over a hundred channels, because they make my TV a more complete tool. After making sure I had all seven discovery channels, the learning channel, and both history channels, all the rest were included in the package.

I won't lie, I watch the occasional bit on Much Music, and I have bizarre love of G4 (the video game network). Recreation isn't a guilty pleasure for me, it's an earned one.

I also personally use some programs as teaching tools. Yes, ninety percent of programming I run across is either pure garbage, or so laced with offensive philosophy/politics that it's just as useless. I'll agree that just releasing a child into the wilds of televisionland unchaperoned is irresponsible, and asking for them to be programmed by 'the powers that be'. But I'll also maintain that with well developed critical reasoning, most adults can find informative and educational programming for both themselves, and children.

Like the internet, and often demonized in much the same way, TV is a tool. Any tool can be abused (I'm sure Stihl never intended to be part of any texas massacre), but that hardly makes the tool "bad" itself. People abuse the internet, opiates, and TV watching, but learning to use a tool effectively can be just as useful, if not moreso, than eliminating use of the tool entirely.

It seems to me this is more an issue of involved parenting and/or critical thinking than of tv watching itself, and is probably more at home in "off-topic" than in general discussion.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2002, 12:02:34 pm »


This is a NO BRAINER,SHOOT THAT THING AND READ A BOOK INSTEAD!
From what I've read, those things can be kind of tough.  A handgun just won't work.  A 12ga (slug) would be reccommended.  ;)  I can't do any testing myself since I haven't owned one for 8 years now.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2002, 12:28:17 pm »

This reminds me of a recent news story (no, I didn't see in on TV) about a guy who was so pissed off at his TV that he threw it out his apartment window (2nd floor). Actually he was pissed because he was watching a video tape of a hockey game in which his team lost. Yes, it was video tape, he already knew his team had lost, he was just watching it again. When he threw the TV out the window, he forgot to let go.  :o  
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2002, 02:09:49 pm »

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I completely agree.  Sometimes I watch TV when I'm at my grandma's house.  If you watch a one hour show you are only seeing 30 minuets of show.  The other half of an hour is propaganda and advertizment


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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2002, 12:22:44 pm »

Yes I agree kill the TV or just turn it off (I mean sheesh we are supposed to be people who advocate self control) but seriously guys while TV is the worst of this type of problem in our country it is just one of many.  In excess all of them are bad.  For example right now I'm going to take the extremely controversial stance of being AGAINST reading.  READING is BAD for A LOT of people!!!!!  GO OUTSIDE! DO SOMETHING! STOP READING ABOUT A SUNSET WHEN YOU CAN GO OUT AND ACTUALLY VIEW IT!!!!!!  Next time you are out with friends look around and count what percentage of your friends wear glasses.  Now I promise you if you and them have a college degree and most of them were 'good students' then about 80% will need glasses.  Now if you are a hard working blue collar type person and your friends didn't go to college or had poor study habits this percentage will be MUCH lower (I don't know what)  that's because reading kills your eyes.  Now I'm not against reading but I am against our popular culture that seems to think that reading is the point of life and reading=intelligence/wisdom/kindess/cure for all social problems
Or what about those ads "reading is knowledge and knowledge is power"
This is assuming that power is our ultimate goal.
Anyway I'm getting extremely rambly now but the point is people go outside, be with friends, see the world, build a tree house for your kids or the neighbor's kids, and yes learn something new.  Keep reading but don't kid yourself into thinking it's a whole lot better than listening to the radio.  I think many popular crappy novels amount to little more than watching Jerry Springer on TV.
  Okay I know that excessive TV is at least 10 times as bad as excessive reading but I just think people should seek moderation in their activities.  I have friends who would study away their lives in College and it just makes me sad.  This can happen with the internet also or video games or whatever so keep that in mind everyone.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2002, 03:52:03 pm »

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This reminds me of a recent news story (no, I didn't see in on TV) about a guy who was so pissed off at his TV that he threw it out his apartment window (2nd floor). Actually he was pissed because he was watching a video tape of a hockey game in which his team lost. Yes, it was video tape, he already knew his team had lost, he was just watching it again. When he threw the TV out the window, he forgot to let go.  


That must have been the Darwin Awards you were reading.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2002, 08:38:33 pm »

The only thing that's semi-good on TV is news and most of the time it's manipulated by dear Uncle Sam.  Most of the media is coplete lies.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2002, 11:44:29 am »

Yeah the American media really sucks.  I don't think it's manipulated by Uncle Sam necissarily it's just that news has become info-tainment and Disney and GM really don't know anything about the media or news business but thought it would be good to buy telivision networks.  Anyway I think we are in market transition where at some point people will realise that there still is demand for hard news that's unbiased.  CNN is usually more hard news but unfortunately it's biased.  That's why the BBC is getting so popular in the US not because it's a socialist but because it's focus is on real news... even news that happens outside of the U.S. I think it is probably biased too but usually I hear the reporter playing the devil's advocate with whoever he is talking to and that makes the inviews much more interesting.  Again for me I like to read the economist for news.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2002, 09:01:46 pm »

It's really only the main-stream media that's terrible.  I you read non-main-stream news you'll get more accurate news.  Speaking of news, has anyone heard that someone was arrested in the DC-Maryland area for giving the police wrong information about the latest sniper attack?  
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2002, 09:42:21 pm »

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Well said, MouseBorg, well said.  I shall take your advice and always be wary of all media, whether it be main-stream or not.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2002, 01:16:18 am »


My TV is used for movies and games. I don't have cable, satellite, or an antenna. I haven't watched TV in months. Don't miss it.


Ditto here, only I haven't watch TV for about 6 or 7 years.  It's so funny when people talk about TV shows to me and I tell them I don't watch TV.  They just keep talking like they don't understand how that's possible.  

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2002, 01:30:05 am »


Quite correct, though its also a good idea to follow the big 5 just to know what the standard PC mindset is supposed to be. After all, its always good to see by example how one is supposed to feel and think about particular issues. I really enjoy catching the expressions, tone of voice, & wording from the mainstream talking heads.

Indeed!  It is always a good idea to “know your enemy.”  I’m taking a great class right now on writing and rhetoric and I am beginning to recognize various rhetorical strategies, which include the stuff you mention above.  We are mostly addressing rhetorical writing, but it still applies to spoken rhetoric as well.  The use of repeated words or phrases, clichéd terms like "family values" that nobody can actually define, and talking as though we're all in this together are just a few of the techniques used.  It’s fun picking them apart as I learn more about what they’re doing.

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I will also add a word of caution concerning the alt news sources too... Many - if not all - have their own bent, spin, agenda, or whatnot.


Yea, everybody’s got their own agenda.

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I completely agree.  Gandalf, you are lucky to be finding out about such things now instead of much later in life.  I grow up believing all the slop they feed us.  I grew up believing the government was the protector of the people.  I was very disappointed and very angry when I learned the truth.  Keep feeding your mind and question…EVERYTHING.

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