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Re:Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2004, 07:46:53 am »

Hey folks - around here in twin cities MN, folks converted an old flour mill to be a museum, I believe privately held, in fact.

I'm not trying to throw a wet blanket on you here, really, I'm not!  BUT...

This is an area that I am very interested in.  I am researching and learning all I can.  I may end up with a 2-year plan for moving by trying my ideas where I live now (NC), and then duplicating them in NH.

I am working on creating a private school that starts at day care age and eventually will cover all grades.  Converting an old mill IS a great idea.  In a free market, this would be wonderful.  However, at least here in NC, the rules that govern a private person that physically has more than 3 children in a building (any building, including their own home) that are not related to them are extensive.  The laws outline how many windows and doors must exist.  They specifically describe how many windows per square foot;  how much grade the floor has to have; which way doors open and how they lock; handicapped access; outdoor, fenced square footage (with "appropriate" toys); and so on and so on.  I'm not sure an old mill building could be converted into a state-approved safe area for children.

However, that being said, I still love the idea.  The biggest expense in starting such a place is the initial and ongoing real estate expense.  An old mill should be on the lower end of the expense scale.  So as I look up, discover, and determine the required laws in NH, I will certainly keep this in mind.

Again, I'm about 95% sure this is the road I'm going down, I'm just not sure if I'll attempt to move AND start a new business, or if I'll try starting the business, and then once I've figured out how to do it, move and start another one...
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Re:Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2004, 07:28:12 pm »

Now here this. I did not read the rest of this thread. I'm just  gonna put my two cents in. It's like this: Not everybody can afford private schools. Not all families are able to do home schooling b/c both parents work. Home schooling, while it produces a slight academic edge, more often than not produces kids that are socially retarded if it is not balanced with the right activities such as playing ball at the local park or participating in the scouts or whatever (I am an excellent case study for this!) I was socially retarded until I went to school for about a year. I can honestly say I saw more asians in the first day than I had seen in my whole life. I was 16 years old and did not realize there was that many blacks in this community, much less that that was merely the number of highschool aged blacks. And another thing, until I went to school, I never got any :( And one last note, the idea is to keep education on the county level, not at the state level, and make sure through public referendum, frequent elections, making school board positions less about money by not paying them any more than the teachers, doing the same for principles, that the teachers are teaching our kids WTF we expect them to be taught, not a flatbed of horse hockey. And by the way, I aint your average libertarian. I aint really an average anything. But if you do homeschool your kids, make sure you don't hide them under a rock.
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Re:Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2004, 08:00:32 pm »

Now here this. I did not read the rest of this thread. I'm just  gonna put my two cents in. It's like this: Not everybody can afford private schools. Not all families are able to do home schooling b/c both parents work. Home schooling, while it produces a slight academic edge, more often than not produces kids that are socially retarded if it is not balanced with the right activities such as playing ball at the local park or participating in the scouts or whatever (I am an excellent case study for this!) I was socially retarded until I went to school for about a year. I can honestly say I saw more asians in the first day than I had seen in my whole life. I was 16 years old and did not realize there was that many blacks in this community, much less that that was merely the number of highschool aged blacks. And another thing, until I went to school, I never got any :( And one last note, the idea is to keep education on the county level, not at the state level, and make sure through public referendum, frequent elections, making school board positions less about money by not paying them any more than the teachers, doing the same for principles, that the teachers are teaching our kids WTF we expect them to be taught, not a flatbed of horse hockey. And by the way, I aint your average libertarian. I aint really an average anything. But if you do homeschool your kids, make sure you don't hide them under a rock.

I certainly wouldn't argue for social retardation. I am curious however, have you ever wondered why both parents work in the average U.S. family? Some would argue that it is because they need to pay for all the toys, like big screen TV's, XBox's, etc. Others, including myself would argue that it is because those families want to maintain a decent standard of living and at the same time, they are paying almost half their incomes to the federal government under the threat of force.
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Re:Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2004, 12:51:24 am »

If government didn't teal half our money it would be possible to only have one breadwinner so most could homeschool.

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Re:Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2004, 03:48:30 am »

From John Stossel's Jan. 26 Lies, Myths and Downright Stupidity 20/20 special.

Myth No. 8 — American Families Need Two Incomes

Many families in America say both husband and wife have to work, because they can't make ends meet without both incomes. It's the reason Sherri Kowalski and her husband say they both work.

Sherri gets up every morning at 4:00 a.m. because she took a job delivering newspapers. She also sells things on Ebay. Her husband works as a lab technician, but they say it's not enough money for the family. But does she really need this job?

Contrary to what we always hear, Americans make more money these days. The U.S. Department of Commerce reports that even after accounting for inflation, personal disposable income has tripled over the past 50 years. And Sherri's husband makes an above-average income.

The Kowalskis feel they need the extra income because they say they need to buy more things for their family. They recently bought a new, fully loaded minivan. But they have already have an Escort and a pickup truck.

"I wanted the better van; I didn't want the van with the cloth seats and the no entertainment system. Everybody wants more," Sherri said. A lot more.

Fifty years ago, the average family in the United States had one car. Today the norm is two or three. Houses have more than doubled in square footage, and shoppers just seem to spend as much as they want.

"Most families don't have to have both parents working. They do this by choice. People have decided they want to maintain a very high income lifestyle on two incomes to have all the things to keep up with the Joneses," Moore said.

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Re:Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2004, 04:04:34 am »

Now here this. I did not read the rest of this thread. I'm just  gonna put my two cents in. It's like this: Not everybody can afford private schools. Not all families are able to do home schooling b/c both parents work.


Bugs, maybe you should read the rest of this thread. If you do you'll see 2 themes are present: 1) an interest in low-cost, competitive educational care and 2) an interest in community mutual aid and voluntary association to reap the competitive advantages of social cooperation.

Oh, and if you follow the links to the academic daycares you'll see a private school could cost as little as $3,000 a year.

And might as well add this: Myth No. 7 — Money Can Buy Happiness

I guess politicians are no different than the rest of us. Politicians want federal money for nice things like museums and senior centers and highways in their states. We want more money too, because we think it'll buy us things that make us happy. But that's myth No. 7.

We get a lot of messages from television and movies telling us that more money will make us happy. Lottery winners have press conferences, reality shows have pretty women lining up to marry rich guys.

One lottery winner told us she was very happy for several days, then the thrill wore off.

Milionaire hip-hop promoter Russell Simmons told me wealth didn't make him or his friends happy either. "If I know 15 billionaires, I know 13 unhappy people," he said.

Simmons' brother, Reverend Run, was the lead rapper for Run DMC. He said he suddenly realized money wouldn't buy happiness when he was at the peak of his career.

"I get to L.A., and I've got the presidential suite," he said, "and it all came at once. … And it was too much. I realized, 'OK, I got it, God. I got it. I got it. This will not work. It is not gonna make me happy.' … The only thing that's gonna make me happy, is the joy that's on the inside of me."

Research suggests that Reverend Run and Russell Simmons are right. A survey of 49 of the Forbes richest found that they weren't any happier than the rest of us.

Money magazine columnist Jean Chatsky polled 1,500 people for her book You Don't Have to Be Rich and found that more money makes people significantly happier only if their family income's below $30,000, but by $50,000, money makes no difference.

"Once you get to that $50,000 level, more money doesn't buy more happiness," she said.

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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2005, 09:17:29 pm »

Just joined this forum today--we're looking to move to NH soon and will need to find a private school for our daughter.

I didn't see the democratic/Sudbury model mentioned yet in this thread.  Here's some information on it.  It's VERY libertarian and a great idea, I think.

http://www.sudval.org/01_abou_01.html
This gives some information on the theory behind the schools.

This is a website that lists Democratic-focused schools across the nation and their names/locations.  There are two listed for NH.
http://www.educationrevolution.org/lisofdemscho.html#new%20hampshire

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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2005, 06:26:25 pm »

Reading this thread gives me hope.

I don't have any children (yet, perhaps), but I currently teach english (mostly composition) at a small community college in rural eastern Kentucky.  I'll be moving to NH as soon as I'm sure I can make decent money there and live somewhat comfortably.

I do the best I can to expand my students' intellectual horizons, but 99% of them attended government schools, so it's often frustrating.  There are a lot of sharp sticks in the bunch, despite all the layers of government-approved social programming, but most are accustomed to doing whatever it takes to get by with a minimum amount of thought and effort.  Most have become conditioned to hate reading (a direct effect of textbooks and coerced assignments, I think), so in that regard their intellects have been permanently disabled, their natural curiosity undermined if not destroyed.

I'm very interested in all of these non-government schooling options, and I've done some research in this area.  In fact, some of my methods borrow heavily from stuff I've read in homeschooling literature. 

Anyway, I think I could be especially useful with middle school and high school age students who are planning to attend college.  At least, I know exactly what they're in for.  Self-initiated learning doesn't necessarily prepare homeschoolers for the realities of a formal college education. 

If anybody has a business idea for a porc-friendly private school, I'd love to hear it.  I don't enjoy getting paychecks from the Commonwealth of Kentucky, and I'd like to think there are more possibilities for individualized education than I can imagine.

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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2005, 09:23:19 pm »

I also don't have any children yet, but after going through public schools myself and witnessing what one of my nephews is going through in public schools, not only will none of my theoretical children go to public school, but none will go to public school. I'm unschooling, all the way  8) 

I'd be nice if that made me exempt from paying money to fund public schools, though :(
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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2005, 12:45:16 pm »

Another reason to prefer non-public schooling:

On Handcuffed and Felonious Children
http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcelroy/mcelroy60.html

A child with braces using a butterknife to eat is a felony.  9 and 10 year olds drawing stick figures in an agreesive stance can end up with police hauling your kids away.
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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2005, 11:04:59 pm »

Don't worry I wont! My husband and I firmly believe that institutions are evil and detramental to a child's development. Our daughter will not be born in an institution, she will be born in the comfort and safety of our own home (despite the fact that IL doesn't want anyone to give birth outside of a hospital, they prosecute all midwives they find). She won't ever know what it's like to literally feel stupider by the minute sitting in a public school. Public schools fail every student that comes through it's doors. Sure some pass with honors and straight A's, but the only thing they have really learned is how to join the system by thinking like the system wants them to (this one is my sister). There are the students that just can't seem to grasp anything told to them in school and they try but just feel stupid. The system can't handle different ways of learning and thinking so they just pass them off as failures. (this is my best friend who, even though she is beautifully talented in so many ways that she can't see, is living still with her parents working at walmart) Then there are the students who see the absurdity of it all and see no point in trying. They are intelligent but they fail every class. They hate the system and the system hates them. The system hates these students the most because they are the ones who may one day bring about their end. (this is myself and my husband) We may not be able to bring down the system, but we sure as hell won't support them by putting our daughter through their system. We can only try to bring them down by educating one person at  a time and by not putting a single one of our children (to-be) into even a day of their system.
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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2005, 11:42:49 pm »

Hey, I'm a casua... I mean product of the Salem School System and I think I turned out alright!  ;) Seriously though, I turned out alright IN SPITE of the SSS, not because of it.
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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2005, 12:21:00 am »

A co-worker, whose son is in the same grade as my daughter our our local middle school, told me today that his son had had a staph infection, of the MRSA variety. And it turns out that about 85 other kids in that school had been treated, too, and even the CDC had been involved.

As Mary said upon hearing the news, "Gee... some notification would have been nice!"

Our goal is to never have our youngest (age 2-1/2) in a government school.

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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2005, 12:36:13 am »

I trust you'll be taking your older ones out as well? Never too late stem the tide...
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Re: Don't enroll your children in the public schools
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2005, 06:39:51 pm »

As much as I antagonize Brian. I agree. Anybody who believes in the complete seperation of school and state, is welcome.

To me, the seperation of school and state is almost a neccessary first step.

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