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Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« on: October 24, 2003, 06:15:25 pm »

Found this article about a Police State style of tax revenue collection of non-paid (avoided) cigarette taxes. article link


The part that stood out is this:

Since Massachusetts increased the cigarette excise tax to $1.51 a pack, one of the highest levels in the country, the state has aggressively pursued consumers attempting to avoid the tax by buying their cigarettes in New Hampshire or on the Interet.




Is the difference between NH and Mass cigarette taxes that great for people to drive miles for a carton?
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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2003, 01:15:32 am »

Well, the tax here is $1.51 on a pack of smokes, while it's $.52 in NH. Add to that alcohol sales on Sunday (illegal in MA) and no sales tax (as opposed to the 5% sales tax here), and it makes the occassional trip worth it to some people.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2003, 03:12:42 am »

That's illegal for MAssachusettes to do.

That was one power the several states gave up whtn the Constitution was drafted. They don't have the right to charge tarrifs between other states in the union. That's the proper interpretation of the interstate commerse clause. To have total free trade between the several States.

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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2003, 06:13:48 am »

Well, the tax here is $1.51 on a pack of smokes, while it's $.52 in NH. Add to that alcohol sales on Sunday (illegal in MA) and no sales tax (as opposed to the 5% sales tax here), and it makes the occassional trip worth it to some people.


Alcohol sales (beer included?) are completely banned on sunday? The whole day?


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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2003, 10:34:34 am »

Well, the tax here is $1.51 on a pack of smokes, while it's $.52 in NH. Add to that alcohol sales on Sunday (illegal in MA) and no sales tax (as opposed to the 5% sales tax here), and it makes the occassional trip worth it to some people.


Alcohol sales (beer included?) are completely banned on sunday? The whole day?


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Yes and No.

For towns where any part is within 10 miles of the border of New Hampshire or Vermont, all liquor stores in that town may stay open (you can't buy beer or wine at supermarkets in MA).

Between the Sunday before Thanksgiving and the Sunday before New Year's Day, all stores may stay open on Sunday, except Thanksgiving and Christmas (or the Monday following if Christmas is on a Sunday).  No store may be open on Memorial day.

The biggest group of resistance to changing the blue laws in MA comes from liquor store owners (they don't want to work Sunday, but they fear if the law is lifted, a competitor might, forcing them to open as well).  Because nobody can hold more than 3 liquor store licenses in the entire state, there are not big chains in MA (there are a couple of franchises).

In NH only the state sells hard liquor, but they sell it at damn low prices compared to any other state I've ever seen hard liquor sales in.  You can buy beer or wine at just about any grocery store.
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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2003, 05:20:21 pm »

The biggest group of resistance to changing the blue laws in MA comes from liquor store owners (they don't want to work Sunday, but they fear if the law is lifted, a competitor might, forcing them to open as well).


AH HAH! I expected as such and was going to ask if that was a factor. Time to inform the consumers of the corporate welfare protectionism acting like social responsibility be made known! AH HAH!   :P
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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2003, 02:27:22 pm »


In NH only the state sells hard liquor, but they sell it at damn low prices compared to any other state I've ever seen hard liquor sales in.  You can buy beer or wine at just about any grocery store.


This looks like another 'low hanging fruit' opportunity for early FSP legislative action in NH.  Imagine, privatizing all alcohol sales - could simulataneously provide a nice income for some of the incoming porcupine entrepreneurs.
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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2003, 04:49:51 pm »

In Mass. the only place to get liquor of any kind is a package store.  Typically small and owner operated.  The cost of a license is high so they charge more than NH for beer and wine.  In NH, you can get beer and wine at any convenience store, grocery, WalMart, etc.  Lots of people drive to NH for alcohol, tobacco, lottery (large powerball jackpots cause traffic jams on the border).  NH does not have a sales tax so anyone who lives within 30 minutes of the border drives up to buy anything large and hauls it home - TV's, appliance, Xmas shopping.   North of Boston the only large malls are on the 128 loop.  Anywhere north of that doesn't work as consumers go to NH.  
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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2003, 03:38:10 am »


In NH only the state sells hard liquor, but they sell it at damn low prices compared to any other state I've ever seen hard liquor sales in.  You can buy beer or wine at just about any grocery store.


This looks like another 'low hanging fruit' opportunity for early FSP legislative action in NH.  Imagine, privatizing all alcohol sales - could simulataneously provide a nice income for some of the incoming porcupine entrepreneurs.

That is a nice thought.  However, the taxes in NH are low, in part, because of this.  Liquor cannot be privatized until the government budget is cut.  So, figure out how to cut the budget and privatizing liquor will be possible.  However, right now, in NH, there is much more pressure to lower the property tax than prizative liquor.  So, you also have to change public oppinion on the issue.
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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2003, 12:01:00 pm »

Lowering property tax or even eliminating it IS more important. That effects everybody.

However, I would think that the very act of privatizing alchohol would cut the state budget. After all, they wouldn't need to pay for running and maintaining their state alchohol shops, or pay for the people that run them. Privatising alchohol sales and lowering the state budget should go hand in hand. Unless they actually make a lot of revenue over and beyond the expenses from taxes. But it seems to me, they would still have the current alchohol tax even if it were privatized.

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Re:Taxachusetts tobacco refugees?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2003, 02:43:53 pm »



For towns where any part is within 10 miles of the border of New Hampshire or Vermont, all liquor stores in that town may stay open (you can't buy beer or wine at supermarkets in MA).

You are able to buy beer and wine in supermarkets in MA that are within 10 miles of the border as well.  They don't all sell it, but I know I exclusively shop at the Shop n Save that sells.

Of course if you are buying any hard alcholol in any real quantity, NH is the place to go.
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