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What best describes your position on moving for the FSP?

I'll go anywhere for the FSP!
- 101 (32.5%)
There are a couple states I won't go to.
- 93 (29.9%)
I'll only go if the selected state is east/west of the Mississippi.
- 38 (12.2%)
There are a few states I'd go to, but that's it.
- 34 (10.9%)
I'll only participate if my favorite state is picked.
- 10 (3.2%)
I haven't decided!
- 35 (11.3%)

Total Members Voted: 288


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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2002, 02:51:48 am »

Of the 10 states on the list, only four have reasonable HS laws: ID, MT, WY, and AK. I would have VT at the top of my list if their HS law was not so draconian. However, just as we have considered here, we would HS underground if the laws were unreasonable. We do not believe it necessary to obey laws that are immoral, unethical, and/or unconstitutional.

Kudos on your willingness to educate your kids outside the realm of government. Many of my friends homeschool and I know it's no easy task -  and one that requires true parenting.

Maybe us Wyoming nuts can win you over! It's a great place to teach kids and raise horses and climb mountains and grow vegetables and be free and...

Ooops.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2003, 06:16:01 pm »

There may be other alternatives.

I like this one:  "I'll go anywhere the Holy Spirit sends me and if that happens to be the State chosen by the FSP, I'll participate fully."

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2003, 10:45:18 pm »

  I answered "some states I won't go to". First of all, getting a job is not an issue with me. I'm a nurse. Unless you just landed from Mars, you know there's a nationwide nursing shortage. I can probably even get a new employer to pay my moving expenses! Why than my answer. Have you ever been to Delaware? Who in their right mind wants to live in Delaware? I'm also not sure I'd go BACK to Alaska. It is thee most beautifull place on earth (I've travelled, just take my word for that). The thing about Alaska is: it's very cold. You're gonna say "no kidding". I'm gonna say "no, REALLY cold". I live in Ma. now on the Vt. border, up in the hills, it's -3 out right now and has hit zero every day for the past ten days now. I grew up here, I'm used to the cold. My mother once asked me " the diference between -50 and 0 isn't the same as the diference between 0 and 50 though is it"? It is! 50 "on the downside" as they call it in Alaska is THAT much colder than ZERO! If Alaska was at least as warm as Ma. I'd be there right now. Having said that the picture "Free State Project" is written on sure looks like the Green mountains in Vt!
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2003, 06:34:01 pm »

I had been looking at the possibility of moving to Idaho for some years now (way before coming across FSP).  I will be checking more into this possibility.  Should I move there and by some stroke of luck FSP goes there, too, I would consider it a bonus.  

What I like about Idaho is something I don't see being weighed as part of FSP's criteria.  There are families recently and currently moving to that state by the hundreds, as has been pointed out in the Aid & Abet police and military (and citizens) newsletter that I get.  Don't be scared, this newsletter is for freedom-loving, constitutionally literate people.  Anyway, they have started patriot communities in the area of Kamiah, ID which is in Idaho County.  These communities are full of Independents and Libertarians, alike.  The county is Idaho County, one of the largest in the country, yet it only has one traffic light.  The weather is quite decent, when you consider that they have a very long growing season, which may be of importance to some.  The hunting and fishing is fantastic, too.  To give you an idea of the weather, I keep Kamiah, Lewiston and Boise, Idaho weather on my browser home page and check it regularly (for the past 2 years).  In a comparison with where I am now (Aberdeen, MD), it has always been better: milder winters; bearable summers and decent precipitation (no drought).  

I guess, to sum it up, I like the fact that there are people already doing in Idaho, what FSP only hopes to do.  I have heard good results from the voting impact on the level of county, and even some good results at the state level.  Surely this is not from just a few hundred families, but also due to independents that already live there.  I bet some influence can also be derived from the infusion a community can get by having these freedom-loving new arrivals stirring up thoughts of being able to make a difference at the polls.  Maybe someone from FSP should contact Aid & Abet in Idaho and get some pointers.  Jack McLamb and the staff there are some terrific patriots.  I know they would be glad to help.  I will be writing to them my self, soon.  Should someone like to beat me to it, contact info, as follows:  
HC 11, Box 357, Kamiah, ID 83536  
(208) 935-7852

Well, that's it for now.  I am new to the Yahoo-Group type discussion.  Hopefully I am in the right place.

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2003, 12:41:25 pm »

Joe, I think I may have something for you.  ;D

I was thinking, it's too bad the LP, with the "World's Smallest Political Quiz", does not collect state residency information. I was poking around there, then Advocates for Self Government where the quiz came from, and found this   8)  :
http://www.self-gov.org/poll1208_libertarian_litmus_test2_b.htm

Well, I skedaddled over to
http://www.portraitofamerica.com/
but found their site was down...   :-\

However the information is out there somewhere, and presumably the state details are available.

The only thing I worry about is that the sample is small, 822 in the nation. So if they rationed it out by state according to population, that means Wyoming had 1.6 respondents!

Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Here is a WND article on them. Perhaps they've done a later survey. Or maybe we could commission a subsequent survey of our 10 states? Wonder how much that would cost...
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2003, 11:31:37 am »

Well, I like most of the state possiblities.  I don't particularly care for a "land locked" one as the USA can cut off your access to other countries for free trade (and reenforcements).  NH is particularly attractive because it also cuts off Maine from the CONUS and makes it a likely second target!

Just thinking ahead!
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2003, 01:59:00 pm »

I'm a military veteran with a service-connected disability.  However, I hate the "govt. trough" mentality that is turning this country into a welfare state.  I would go almost anywhere (Maine and Alaska not being options because of how the cold would affect my disability), but we would need to consider the library employment options for my wife - she is a professional librarian with a MLS degree.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2003, 01:03:47 pm »

I'll go anywhere there's adequate medical care (that's qualified to treat my medical conditions) and the climate doesn't require the use of antifreeze to keep your blood flowing.


I've seen medical care mentioned a few times as a consideration.  Let me state a reason why it should NOT be a consideration.  Please bear with me - this will take a bit to articulate.

I first met my wife about 4 years ago.  At the time, she was already seeing specialists for treatment of endometriosis (non-cancerous tumors in the abdomin & feminin reproductive tissues) and was in moderate to severe pain most of the time.  She had(S) a good job, and got paid time off for sick-days rationed out per month, but she was using nearly all of it just to deal with the endo . . .

The specialists all knew the AMA approved treatment regime for this condition by heart, and never varied from it.  Everything they did made the problem worse!  Yes, WORSE!  Finally, about 2 years ago, she was told that the specialists only had one treatment option left - a radical hysterectomy.  She was 29.  Also, there was no guarantee of 2 things - that it would work, and that she would not be on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) for life as a result.  Since she didn't have any options (that we knew of), in May she scheduled the surgery for the end of November, 2000.  I'm forever thankful that that was the earliest date they could schedule.

What happened in the between time was that she was trying to save up sick-days to go with saved up vacation time and a job-approved medical leave, all to get the 3-6 months of time off she needed to recover from the surgery.  Alright - except that she was still having to deal with the (moderate to severe) pain from the endo on a regular basis - making saving the sick-days tough.  Finally, I got really pissed, and pointed out that this wasn't working.  It was the beginning of October, and we didn't have near the amount of time-off the docs said she would need.  So, I suggested another idea (which we hadn't tried because it wasn't covered by her medical insurance).  We went to a family friend who is a Chiropractor - and a certified instructor of the Sacro-Occipital Technique - a holistic medicine system.  He gave her a complete work-up, and put her on some basic nutritional supplements.  The next day she said she felt better than she had in a long time.  Two weeks later she said she was symptom free.  A week later - with absolute glee on her face - she called the OB/GYN who had scheduled her for surgery, and canceled her appointment.  She has remained symptom free ever since.

Another thought - during all of this, she was also seeing specialists for Asthma and Allergies.  Yes, she carried Albuterol with her all the time, and used it several times a week.  But, by continuing the Chiropractor's care, over the last 2 years the symptoms of both the Asthma and the Allergies have been fully corrected.

One final thought.  The American Medical Association is not your friend, and does not care about your being healthy.  It says in the AMA's own charter that the association exists to guarantee the PROFITABILITY of the practice of medicine in the US.  Now, any college business major can tell you that there are two things you need to maximize profitability - customers that NEED your goods/service, and guaranteed repeat business.  And there, in a nutshell, is the whole healthcare problem in the US.  The AMA doesn't want you well - they want to keep you comfortably ill enough that you need more care.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2003, 04:16:58 am »

Folks,

It was late at night, but I couldn't figure how to participate in the
Poll.

Help?

One comment:  I read someone writing that NH should be chosen
'cause it close to Boston.   Good Gawd, I want to be as damned
far away from a major metro area as I can get (and I am, in Idaho, though there is still symphony, rock concerts, and jobs) - and I would think all FSPers would!

So, it's West of Ole Miss for me!!  I ain't no ant in a metro hill, and
I don't even want to be close to one, and I cannot figure why
any FSper would!

So, I guess I ain't gonna get much help with voting, eh?

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we could hide in Idaho, in the largest designated wilderness area
on Earth, and a border with Canada.   There'd be no damned way to hide from Boston, even without the "S" word.   What the hell have you NH supporters been thinking.  Fill me in, Pleeeuuuze!

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so the gummit can't find ya when it wants to.

BOSTON IS A POSITIVE FOR NH???   ROTFLMAO!!!  WHAT GROUP OF NUTS HAVE I SIGNED ON WITH??!!

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2003, 04:41:08 pm »

I won't go to state X because (                      ).


Fill in the blank with "I'm not commited to this".


Bah. Picking a state will weed out the fence sitters.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2003, 04:55:36 pm »

I'm liking the legal trends I've seen in 3 states lately.  They are Wyoming, Montana, and New Hampshire.  I don't know what Idaho has going for it that WY/MT don't have, but I do think that the vote will be interesting.

The international boarder isn't a plus - because it gives the gumment justification to regulate our boarder.  This has been pointed out, and exhaustively discussed, elsewhere.

BTW, The only reason I can't go to AK, ND, ME is because of the effect the weather would have on my military disability, so don't scream that everyone who opts out of a state isn't committed to the success of this.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2003, 08:17:32 pm »

     The perceptions that westerners have of the east are  a little skewed . The idea that a major metropolis is within forty miles doesn't mean much to those of us on the east coast. The fact that most cities and towns ( even small towns) have almost all the conveniences in them means that we don't travel to areas that don't interest us. There are actually 20 and 30 acre farms within 15 miles of Boston that are family owned and run. Heck there are even coop farms in Boston common. The notion that living in New Hampshire makes you a part of the metro Boston area is not even close to reality. Many of us Taxachusetts natives go to New Hampshire to get away from the rat race that exists within the pockets of our state. New Hampshire gives the best of both worlds, an area close enough to a metropolis that jobs are available without having to drive excessive miles to find them. Also the fact that many of the smaller companies that would benefit from deregulation, are moving to the areas just outside of metropolis areas (NH. Maine,VT,RI)so that they can take advantage of lower overheadthan if they were in Boston but remain close enough that their prices don't suffer from excessive distance. There is much to be said for the theory keep your friends close and your enemies closer its hard for your enemy to destroy your resources or restrict them if he also depends on them. A trip to an area that statists can just cordon off could leave the movement in a bad and probably dangerous situation. Just my opinion.                                                                                                                       Thanks for listening,                                                                                                                           Scott
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2003, 09:03:32 pm »

I was poking around there, then Advocates for Self Government where the quiz came from, and found this   8)  :
http://www.self-gov.org/poll1208_libertarian_litmus_test2_b.htm




That web site is down, at least temporarily.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2003, 04:51:13 pm »

Just calculated some figures on how many members opt out of how many states...

Opted out of 0: 1715 (42%)
Opted out of 1: 605 (15%)
Opted out of 2: 256 (6%)
Opted out of 3: 275 (7%)
Opted out of 4: 295 (7%)
Opted out of 5: 241 (6%)
Opted out of 6: 267 (7%)
Opted out of 7: 194 (5%)
Opted out of 8: 71 (2%)
Opted out of 9: 158 (4%)
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2003, 05:30:17 pm »

Ouch!  I know that new folks who opt out of nine can't be members but what's with this opt out of 8, 7, 6 thing?  The opting out that I can understand is by coast.  If you have family, especially previous marriage children, I can see not wanting to be a country away, or wanting to be near aging mother etc.  but opting out of 6, 7, & 8 seems excessive.  I guess it isn't just about liberty for some.

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