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REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« on: October 18, 2015, 04:54:06 pm »

Millions of Americans might need passports to fly domestic
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/technology/passport-license-domestic-flights/index.html?sr=cnnmoneybin091715passportlicensedomesticflights0900vodtop
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The stricter ID standards are already being enforced elsewhere. Recently, people with New Hampshire drivers licenses have been turned away from federal buildings in Washington, according to New Hampshire licensing officials.

The fight to prevent REAL-ID being implemented in NH was one of the bigger moments in the NH Freedom Movement.
New Hampshire REAL ID Protest
From 2006
https://youtu.be/OeE3iB90KeE


Soon will be the time to make a big noise again and gain national attention.

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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 02:47:31 pm »

all those statements on the video have come true
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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2016, 05:04:26 pm »

NH Senate approves bill allowing Real ID compliance


So many of us were involved in the anti-REAL-ID efforts. Now we see that the politicians screwed over the will of the people.

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The Senate voted 18-4 to approve House Bill 1616 after defeating an attempt to make a Real ID compliant license the standard, and allowing those opposed to opt out.


I don't see how this isn't a direct assault on the bill passed in 2007 that we fought so hard to attain.

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Lawmakers passed a 2007 law that forbids state officials from complying with Real ID, but now citizens without a compliant state license or identification cannot enter federal buildings or facilities. And beginning in January 2018, they can’t enter airports unless they have a passport or go through enhanced screening.

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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 08:25:58 am »

For the back story on this...

The thread on the underground forum that organized the largest, most successful activism effort in the NH Freedom movement.

Real ID, HB 1582

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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 06:56:09 pm »

We need to inform NH residents that if they take the federally compliant ID, they will be putting themselves at severe risk of identity theft, as their SSNs and birth certificates will be searchable through a nationally linked database. The more of us refuse the national ID card, the harder it will be for the feds to require it for flying, etc.
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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 07:10:08 pm »

We need to inform NH residents that if they take the federally compliant ID, they will be putting themselves at severe risk of identity theft, as their SSNs and birth certificates will be searchable through a nationally linked database. The more of us refuse the national ID card, the harder it will be for the feds to require it for flying, etc.

I appreciate your thoughts Jason.

The effort put into stopping this was squandered. We worked hard and had to deal with back room sneaky dealings with the republicans from Washington. After all that, we won and now it's been weaseled away.

Now it's a divide and conquer game and they have the lead. It could have been a state's rights showdown. Now it will be a steady marginalizing against an ever shrinking group of individuals. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

I'm wondering if this is in violation of the law created in 2007?

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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 07:14:59 pm »

They repealed the 2007 law when they passed this one. :(
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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2016, 08:42:25 pm »

They repealed the 2007 law when they passed this one. :(

Damn, that is a real drag.

I don't do Facebook, was there any kind of call to action? This is perhaps my biggest pet issue.

The internal passport is the worst of infringement of my lifetime. When I first got a drivers license many states didn't even have a photo on the license. The only legitimate purpose was to prove you had the skills to drive. In fact the argument that it would become an internal passport was some of the early resistance to allowing government to "license drivers". Your freedom of mobility is perhaps the most important one. Courts argued that the government couldn't "license" a freedom or even tax it.

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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2016, 07:14:18 pm »

The NHLA urged contacting reps, and many of us did, but because legislators saw it as voluntary, it was a very hard sell.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2016, 07:35:03 pm »

The NHLA urged contacting reps, and many of us did, but because legislators saw it as voluntary, it was a very hard sell.

I'm glad to hear that some tried. I wish that there was the ability to speak to the wider audience in the movement that there once was, the underground. Things sure got atomized, especially with Facebook.

The whole voluntary angle turns out to have a divide and conquer effect. I would contend by design.

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Senate Majority Leader Jeb Bradley, R-Wolfeboro, was a U.S. Representative when the Real ID law was passed, and he voted for it.


Republicans, selling our freedoms at a slightly slower rate.
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Socialism Lite, brought to you by the Republican Party.

The compromise is a sell out, like many other steps down this road. Until republicans are willing to risk losing over principle they are the problem rather than the solution.

Don't mean to rag at you Jason.  :)

Fence and gates... I've watched them building them during the course of my life. Now they are locking the gates. Us folks outside the fence will be starved out.

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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 07:45:35 pm »

This whole "real ID" thing needs good old fashioned RESISTANCE. We will never beat this by begging and pleading with members of the most criminal GANG in human history (us govt). Stop putting faith in ANY politicians/reps. Just REFUSE to give in to the state. We need to do what ever it takes on this one. For the sake of our kids,man! Trust me.Playing within the system will get humanity NO WHERE. This federal ID is very anti-human. A very influential video on you tube to get you all back to where we should be : LARKEN ROSE "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME"                       
                                                                                             Thanks,Instinct2Bfree
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Re: REAL ID disobedience a REAL opportunity
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 07:42:30 am »

very true
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