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Jerry B

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Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« on: February 02, 2016, 08:47:36 am »

For the life of me, I can't figure out how so many people can be so enthusiastic about Donald Trump. He is totally against freedom, free markets and private property rights. How could "conservatives" support him?

Even recently Trump defended his position in favor of single payer health care. He wants a top-down, one-size-fits-all government control over our private medical matters. So he is against freedom, free markets in health care, privacy, and the sanctity of doctor-patient relationships (that doesn't involve government officials!).

He loves eminent domain, which is when government forcibly takes private property away from its owners.

He doesn't believe in free trade, and not "NAFTA"-type of "free trade" which is government-managed and controlled trade, rather, just FREE trade, in which you and I have the freedom to trade with others, with whomever we want anywhere in the world whether a bureaucrat likes it or not. That's FREE trade. He wants to order by executive diktat private American companies to keep their plants within U.S. territory, such as Ford Motor Co.

Despite all his anti-political correctness rhetoric, he is also against freedom of speech, as we saw in his comments against Pamela Geller in her Draw Muhammad contest. Geller pointed out that while he has said plenty of nasty things about Mexicans, he happens to have financial interests in Middle Eastern countries, so there's some hypocrisy there. So he shows a lack of understanding of freedom of speech and what the First Amendment is all about.

And Trump supports NSA spying on all Americans and looking for a needle in a haystack. He supports torture of suspects. He doesn't believe in presumption of innocence and the rule of law. Unlike other totalitarian countries, at least we have a Constitution, with a set of rules the government must obey, particularly the Bill of Rights. THAT's the "rule of law" that the government must obey, whether they like it or not.

Now, I can see why Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S., because he thinks like a collectivist. He doesn't see individuals as individuals, each of whom has one's own life and history and qualities. He doesn't believe in presumption of innocence, in which if you don't suspect someone of something then you leave him alone.

And he is anti-immigration because he is a nationalist. Nationalism is very collectivist in nature as well. Nationalists don't believe in private property rights. They see the whole territory as one big property, and foreigners are trespassers who must get the government's permission to enter. But such nationalistic rules negate the idea of a private property owner or businessperson having the private property right to invite others onto one's own property or into one's business. Trump was born into wealth and has never known poverty and desperation. So he can't personally identify with some Mexican or other foreigner wanting to come to a better area to make a better life for himself and his family. (In fact, it is the very welfare state that liberal Trump supports that attracts the certain "less-desirable" people here that Trump wants to get rid of.)

So Donald Trump is very un-American and anti-America in his views as far as I'm concerned. The Founders were not "nationalists," as there was no "America" or "United States" until they created it. They had a Revolution to separate and free themselves from the tyrannical rule of the British King and all the King's little minions. The Founders were not "nationalists," they were separatists, they were freedom fighters. They believed in freedom, very strongly, which is something that Trump and most politicians today strongly OPPOSE! The Founders believed in the principles of freedom, private property rights, free markets, freedom of trade and commerce, as well as the idea of self-ownership. (I know, some of them were slave owners, so they didn't believe in those principles for ALL human beings. But given their flaws, they nevertheless would have opposed just about everything the statists have forced on us for the past century, I think, the impositions and tyranny that Donald Trump loves and supports.)

So, I will not be voting for Donald Trump. Obviously, the Dumocrats have two communists to offer, and the other Republitards have neocons and warmongers, NSA fascists, and economic socialists. I know that Rand Paul has gotten a lot of criticism especially from libertarians, but he does speak out against the NSA and other Gestapo-like agencies, and he's good in confronting pushers of economic regulation and climate stuff. And he's terrible with taxes. Rand is nothing like his principled father Ron Paul who says dump the IRS and the income tax and replace it with ... NOTHING! And Ron Paul would have seriously pardoned non-violent prisoners and released them from the jails. At the very least, were Rand Paul to get elected, he could appoint his father to the U.S. Supreme Court. A principled Ron Paul Supreme Court justice's opinions would be to strike down as unconstitutional just about every law or policy that comes before the Court, and he would cite valid cases and issues going back to well before the existence of the Founding Fathers. I doubt that candidate Rand would say publicly that as President he would appoint Ron Paul to the Supreme Court. But it's something he should do, as a moral duty to promote freedom. So, with just that possibility, I can see at least some good reason to vote for Rand Paul in the Republican primary.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2016, 08:59:20 am »

Singing to the choir here.  I think the only way a free stater would vote for Trump is if they forgot their glasses at home and accidentally filled in the wrong box.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2016, 10:42:59 am »

He's a would-be Putinesque dictator, a clear and present danger to all our lives and liberties. He must be stopped by any means necessary and just.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 12:39:06 pm »

Well, it appears that Rand Paul has dropped out. So never mind, as Emily Litella would say.

I don't see any point for liberty-lovers to even vote in the party primaries or caucuses, as all the candidates now are either communists or fascists (not much of a difference there, anyway). Or should people strategically vote to try to get the "least of the evils" to nominate? But the "least of the evils" is still evil. What about the general election? The Libertarian Party? Gary Johnson (whose latest thing is to ban the burqa)? Are there ANY more Ron Pauls out there?
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 12:49:31 pm »

Trump is so evil I'd be willing to hold my nose and vote for whoever can stop him. Just can't figure out who that is right now. Rubio's pretty terrible too, especially on foreign policy and criminal justice.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 06:47:18 pm »

yea ... no one exciting to vote for

oh I miss the days of the Free Grafton Elections or was it Grafton Free Town Elections or Grafton Free Elections .... whatever it was it was fun and made the normal election officials mad :) locals mostly liked it
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2016, 12:17:29 pm »

Most if not all the Repugnicans are pro-NSA spying-blackmail and really just love government power and are clueless when it comes to the Bill of Rights and WHY the Bill of Rights was included in the Constitution. In fact they are clueless about the Constitution, period. They are all extreme authoritarians and anti-liberty.

The Democrats? Don't. Make. Me. Laugh. Hillary is just another one of those neocons as well, as she never speaks of civil liberties, she supports the Patriot Act and NSA. Does Bernie Sanders ever say anything about the NSA spying? With him everything is "free this, free that, free stuff, free, free, free," but by "free" he is not talking about FREEDOM, only about stealing something from us to hand over to them, the bureaucrats!

This election is very discouraging now. At least with Ron Paul in 2012, he made a lot of speeches and did a lot of interviews, promoting free markets, private property rights, the ideas of voluntary association and voluntary contract, so millions of Americans were exposed to those ideas. (And no, as we are seeing, Donald Trump is against free markets, private property, and voluntary contracts!)

And Ron Paul was getting a lot of support and virtually tied with Michele Bachmann in the 2011 Iowa straw poll, Dr. Paul came in 3rd in the Iowa caucuses, and 2nd in NH primary, and so on. But there were shenanigans and hanky-panky and the nomination was practically stolen from him (see http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig13/glenn-j1.1.1.html). The Establishment owns the electoral process, apparently, and does not want anyone to "rock the boat." (Look what happened to JFK, after all.)

Worse, I just can't believe how gullible so many people are now. I think many people are completely brainwashed by mainstream media and post-9/11 propaganda, and the young people are brainwashed by the leftish government propaganda instilled into them throughout 12 years of government schooling. These elections are just continuing the means of people voting to enslave themselves even more than they already are, it seems.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2016, 06:07:50 am »

voting is for suckers
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 10:18:33 am »

I am shocked by Trump's big numbers at the polls, unless some of those are Democrats going into Republican primaries because they WANT Trump to be the Republican nominee, thinking that he could not possibly win the general election. But I'm hearing on many talk shows people calling in to say that a lot of people they know are voting for Trump.

Just now on the radio Glenn Beck is talking about Trump referring to an MSNBC reporter who "lied" about this or that, and saying Trump is stirring up the crowd as though "inciting" them to attack the reporter, Katy Tur (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/what-did-msnbc-do-when-donald-trump-incited-crowd-against-their-reporter/). Beck is saying that Trump is trying to create "Brownshirts." Is it that bad now? I know that Trump is against freedom of speech, except when it's The Donald's freedom of speech, because he goes and sues anyone who criticizes him. He is against freedom of the Press and as President will probably have an even worse war on journalists than Obama's war on them has been. But is he really "Nazi"-like? In his saying that protesters should be physically beat up (or killed), not only is he saying that he also opposed the American people's right to freedom of protest, but he is acting like a "union thug," very unbecoming of a so-called "businessman."

So, talk about an ignoramus and a hypocrite, in his wanting to "Make America Great Again," when Trump is AGAINST everything that America was based on, individual freedom, private property, free markets, freedom of association, and so on. I just can't believe all the "conservatives" and "Reagan Democrats" who love Trump and get excited by his authoritarian and nationalistic rhetoric - yet, do they even know that he wants socialized medicine? Do they care that he has been mainly a progressive liberal Democrat much of his adult life? I think his whole campaign is one big scam. I really don't want to be rude and insult people, but I have to say, I just can't believe how stupid so many people are now. Or are they just plain nuts? Just irrational?
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2016, 11:03:16 pm »

This election is very discouraging now. At least with Ron Paul in 2012, he made a lot of speeches and did a lot of interviews, promoting free markets, private property rights, the ideas of voluntary association and voluntary contract, so millions of Americans were exposed to those ideas. (And no, as we are seeing, Donald Trump is against free markets, private property, and voluntary contracts!)

It is very discouraging that despite having a field of completely insane candidates, not a single libertarian has risen up to be a reasonable alternative. I don't know a single person who wants to vote for any of the four main candidates (Trump, Cruz, Hillary, or Sanders), so where is the alternative? What's worse is that Trump, Cruz, and Hillary are all essentially running on the same platform (authoritarian war-hungry anti-freedom) and Sanders is at the complete other end of the spectrum talking about significantly increasing taxes to pay for all this "free" stuff he is promising.

It seems like an IDEAL election for a liberty-minded candidate to come in and stand for civil liberties and peace.

A "Ron Paul" candidate who gets into the spotlight could easily win this election I believe... but where is one? Even Gary Johnson (despite his questionable comment about the burka) is significantly better than any of these clowns, and yet he is doing absolutely nothing to get his name out there (other than make questionable comments about burkas)... what is going on? Why are there no candidates who present opposing (pro-liberty) views?
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 12:09:46 pm »

I disagree, because as soon as I had the money, on the day that Cruz and Kasich dropped out against Trump, I gave $25 to the LP and $25 to Johnson.  The only causes I'm giving to besides freedom, are conservation (Nature Conservancy) and charity (Native American groups such as Navajo Nation).

I predict that if Bernie Sanders loses the nomination to Hillary, he would run as either Independent as he did for Congress, or else as some Socialist Party that will take him.  This will divide the leftist vote, just as Gary Johnson getting the LP nomination will take votes from Trump.  Johnson may still lose, but 2016 would then legitimize third parties in a way we have not seen since Perot and Ventura in the '90s.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2016, 11:38:38 am »

Johnson may still lose, but 2016 would then legitimize third parties in a way we have not seen since Perot and Ventura in the '90s.

Maybe even more than Perot. People are actually taking the Libertarian Party seriously now. Unfortunately, the candidates now are statists. It is extremely watered down now, as far as the libertarian philosophy is concerned. Gary Johnson has said that he agrees with civil rights laws now including LGBT, and believes that a Jewish baker should be forced to bake a Nazi wedding cake. And I just heard Austin Petersen on with Glenn Beck. Petersen said he approves of a flat tax. He said nothing about government taxation being coercive and involuntary, thus immoral and criminal. He said nothing about cutting spending. He also said that he would appoint Ted Cruz to the U.S. Supreme Court, a total disqualifier!
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2016, 03:48:31 pm »

I suspect the best way to proceed here is to organize a write-in campaign of the group consensus favorite candidate . . . perhaps even if that individual doesn't want to run. Would be interesting to see how much support it would garner.
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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2016, 09:09:09 pm »

Things got to get a lot worse before they get better. This is part of that process.

There is no political solution at this stage of the decline.

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Re: Why I Will Not Vote for Donald Trump
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2016, 12:02:51 pm »

I don't give to politicians. Abject waste of money in my opinion. Only charity that I like to give my money to are animal shelters. A lot of my money, they do receive.

Dogs and Cats > Politics.
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