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THIS WILL PROVIDE A BASE CAMP FOR ALL PLANNING TO COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE - PLEASE PLEDGE TO MAKE A ONE TIME DONATION ? (tax deductable)

I would be interested in pledging $ torwards a Liberty base camp in NH
I am not interested
I would consider pledging $250 towards this venture
I would consider pledging $167 towards this venture
I would consider pledging  $100 towards this venture
I would consider pledging $50 towards this venture
I would consider pledging $25 towards this venture

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Liberty Village Inc.

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A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« on: November 17, 2013, 03:01:38 am »

OK MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF LIBERTY. THIS MUST HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME (NOW) - OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS RARELY LAST LONG -

PLEASE PLEDGE TO DONATE $250.00 (tax deductible) towards the purchase a new BASE CAMP for LIBERTY.

Anyone who pledges to donate $250 will be given full access to the campground and amenities, a lifetime membership card allowing for reduced (25% off) future camping rates, a plaque with donors name displayed at camp, and a complimentary 2 weeks stay at lake front cabin (transferable-gift).

Anyone who pledges to donate $167 will be given full access to the campground and amenities, a lifetime membership card allowing for reduced (25% off) future camping rates, a plaque with donors name displayed at camp, and a complimentary 1 weeks stay at lake front cabin (transferable-gift).

Anyone who pledges to donate $100 will be given full access to the campground and amenities, a lifetime membership card allowing for reduced (25% off) future camping rates, a plaque with donors name displayed at camp, and a complimentary 1 weekend stay at lake front cabin (transferable-gift).

Anyone who pledges to donate $50 will be given full access to the campground and amenities, a lifetime membership card allowing for reduced (25% off) future camping rates, a plaque with donors name displayed at camp.

Anyone who pledges to donate $25 will be given full access to the campground and amenities, a lifetime membership card allowing for reduced (25% off) future camping rates.   



WE HAVE ACCESS TO A WELL ESTABLISHED LAKEFRONT CAMPGROUND HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE THAT CONSISTS OF OVER 300 PRISTINE SECLUDED ACRES.

THIS CAMPGROUND IS IN SOUTHWEST NEW HAMPSHIRE, BETWEEN KEENE AND MANCHESTER.

THIS CAMPGROUND IS ON THE SHORES OF A 200 ACRE LAKE.

THIS CAMPGROUND WILL BE OVERSEEN AND MANAGED BY A FANTASTIC TEAM OF LIBERTY LOVERS.



IF YOU WISH TO VISIT NEW HAMPSHIRE FROM OUT OF STATE TO SEEK HOUSING/EMPLOYMENT PRIOR TO MOVING HERE, WE WILL PROVIDE TEMPORARY HOUSING - NOT TO EXCEED TWO WEEKS UNLESS SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS ARE MADE.



THIS PROPERTY WILL BE CONFIGURED TO ACCOMMODATE OVER 2,000 CAMP GOERS FOR FUTURE EVENTS (PORC FEST 2015??? POSSIBLY / LIBERTY FESTS/CONCERTS)

THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAS MANY ON SITE STRUCTURES (INCLUDING BANQUET HALL THAT ACCOMMODATES 250+ PEOPLE) SEVERAL CABINS (INCLUDING SOME ADA DISABILITY ACCESS), YURTS, TENT SITES, RESTROOMS (INCLUDING COMPOSTING TOILETS), CAFETERIA/COMMERCIAL KITCHENS, NATURE PATHS, STORAGE, GARAGES, BOAT DOCKS, SANDY BEACHES, BENCHES, SWIMMING DOCKS/SLIDES, OTHER ACTIVITIES, VOLLEYBALL, HORSESHOES,  ETC.



THERE WILL BE CONTINUOUS CONSTRUCTION IN PHASES:

OBSTACLE COURSES (FUTURE COURSE ON TOUGH MUDDER CURCUIT)
OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER (MUSIC / THEATER / SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS)
ZIP LINES
NATURE PATHS
ARCHERY RANGE
SHOOTING RANGE (NEED TO INQUIRE)
STABLES (HORSES)
BUGGY/HAY RIDES
ULTIMATE FRISBEE GOLF COURSE
KAYAK/CANOE/SAILBOAT RENTALS
ATV/SNOW MOBILE RENTALS
PARKING AREA TO ACCEPT 1,000 AUTOS
ADDITIONAL CABINS
MANY TENT SITES
RV HOOK-UPS
PERMANENT VENDOR AGORA MARKETPLACE
EDUCATIONAL FACILITY (SUSTAINABILITY/ORGANIC FARMING/ALTERNATIVE BUILDING/PERMACULTURE/AQUACULTURE) - ALSO HOMESCHOOLING ON SITE CHILDREN



UNDETERMINED RESIDENTIAL HOUSING UNITS.
PERMACULTURE ON ENTIRE SITE
PENS/COOPS/PADDOCKS - FARM ANIMALS/PETTING ZOO
GREENHOUSES
RAISED BED FARMING
HAY FIELDS/CROPS/GRAZING
ETC. ETC.

WISH TO OPEN LIMITED SCALE TO PUBLIC MAY 2014 - FULL SCALE MAY 2015.



UP TO: 50 (SHAREHOLDERS) WILL LIVE ON SITE YEAR ROUND CARING FOR, WORKING AT, AND UPGRADING THIS PROPERTY. (CONTACT ME FOR DETAILS)

FOR THOSE WISHING TO LIVE ON SITE YEAR ROUND (COOPERATIVE COMPANY SHAREHOLDERS - FULL MEMBERSHIP = $10,000.00 + $500 ANNUAL MEMBER DUES) :



LIBERTY VILLAGE PROJECT
DOUGLAS WEIDL
douglasweidl@aol.com
860-899-4818
LVP-NH.COM
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 06:16:53 pm »

This wouldn't be camp Tevya at lake Potanipo would it? All seems to fit the bill there, lot size, lake size, location.  I live about a five to ten minute drive from there and if you're considering buying the place, or managing it it's something I'd like to help out with.  Could be a couple other places I suppose, there are a lot of lakes around that size between Keene and Manch.
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 08:16:36 pm »

NOPE....

It is: Camp Chenoa in Antrim, NH......300 acre former Girls Scout Camp on 200 acres Lake Gregg....

IF these FREE STATERS and LIBERTY LOVERS would for ONCE think about putting OUR MINDS AND RESOURCES "TOGETHER" -

WE CAN BUY OUR OWN LIBERTY PARADISE !!....Until then, I guess I am only living a dream..


15,000 committed FREE STATE PLEDGES?  X ONLY (small tax deductible donation) of $167.00 EACH  = BUYS THE WHOLE THING @ $2.5M....


(btw- i got $167 dollars in my back pocket) ANYONE ELSE GOT $167.00 ?????????


COME ON NOW....It cost you $167 to for a primitive campsite at PorcFest for ONE week.


But can I get even 100 (creative, free market thinking, motivated liberty lovers from this group)  of 15,000 to COMMIT to doing this ????????



NOPE.....I guess we'll all keep funding Roger's Campgrounds for the next decade at about $200 to $1000/each for many years to come.


ANYONE OUT HERE WITH AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT? ACCESS TO FUNDING? GUTS? ADVENTURE? MOTIVATION? CREATIVITY? WORK ETHIC?


ANYONE?????


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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 09:02:30 pm »

Probably most people who might be interested in something like this would want to know you well personally before making the leap. It might be worth coming to Liberty Forum and pitching your ideas and meeting people there. The other issue is that the FSP skews young. People often need to live close to jobs. The planned development in Chile seems pitched to retirees, IIRC.
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2013, 09:30:14 pm »

You can begin persuasion by not leading off with an insulting false dichotomy, and then by laying out a plan that sounds feasible.

All caps and fly-by-night fantasies aren't a good way to attract investors.
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2013, 11:12:29 pm »

NOPE....

It is: Camp Chenoa in Antrim, NH......300 acre former Girls Scout Camp on 200 acres Lake Gregg....

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But can I get even 100 (creative, free market thinking, motivated liberty lovers from this group)  of 15,000 to COMMIT to doing anything????????


I HAVEN'T YET IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.


Camp Chenoa was only put up for sale in September, 2013, and formally closed just under a month ago.

How have you been trying to buy the property for "THE PAST TWO YEARS"?

Also, where is Liberty Village Inc. incorporated? This business name doesn't appear to be an active NH corporation.
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 08:38:30 am »

You can begin persuasion by not leading off with an insulting false dichotomy, and then by laying out a plan that sounds feasible.

All caps and fly-by-night fantasies aren't a good way to attract investors.

Thank you. I was not left with a good first impression of business acumen. Just trying to picture the business plan and loan app for the bank with all caps and multiple exclamation marks.

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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 05:30:34 pm »

I'm merely showing my frustration fellas with the CAPS.....I had no illusions of grandeur that I would get anywhere close to the 15,000+ signed "pledges" desiring to move to NH would be interested in making a measly $167 dollar contribution towards a 300 acre established lakefront camp that would serve as the Liberty Base Camp for eternity....A place to stay while securing local employment/housing, or permanent residence for some, or home to all forthcoming Porc Fest / Liberty Forums, etc. etc.....

Yes....for over 2 years I have been promoting on FSP forums: an intentional cooperative community development of liberty lovers, entrepreneurs, creative minds, adventurers, pioneers, organic farmers, sustainability preppers, artisans, etc....I have had several dozens take interest in my past proposals, and had an overwhelming response at this past years PorchFest2013 (Alt Expo - standing ovation)...but I can no longer do this ALONE...

I'm just tired of reaching out to supposed "Like Minded People", only for none other than myself to have the vision, motivation, and commitment to make it happen....I have written business plans, set up websites, contacted many of interest throughout the country.

CAN WE ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE JUST ONE TIME???

Getting just 25-50 liberty folks on the same page seems like herding ferrel cats.

If this movement is ever going to progress towards changing the cultural/political/idealogical landscape in this state of NH, WE better think of collaborating together and do it one town/county/region at a time.....A "cooperative venture"

Buying this facility would be a very good investment (already have committed girl-scouts seeking to save camp, possible 6 weeks leasing - $200,000/gross annually) , provide employment for many, housing for some, revenue for all (profit sharing), and a location to call the epicenter of Liberty.

For $167 ?

Asking too much?

I dont think so at all....

Apologies to any who felt my actions/phrasing/use of caps were disparaging or too boisterous. I KNOW I am not the only one who desires for all of us to get on the same page with a brilliant idea of purchasing a huge chunk of land, growing our own organics, raising out own natural meats, building our own housing development, and creating our own business opportunities...It's the American way......I'm merely trying to spur the move...

 


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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2013, 09:53:06 am »

I think one issue with what you'd like to do is no one wants to commit money to something they think they will almost certainly lose.  You could do something like a Kickstarter crowd funding campaign.  That way people could commit money only if it's a success.  Also of course is jobs, most people need one and Camp Chenoa is pretty far from most major centers, being a half hour commute to either Keene or Concord and an hour to Manchester or Nashua where most the tech jobs are.  The Boston metro area is a big no go from there.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2013, 03:59:29 pm »

@Bazil, There in which lays the problem. A complete misunderstanding on the part of you, and I am sure many others.

I am not necessarily seeking people to commit money to a cause for which they may lose. I am clearly asking people to DONATE MONEY to a cause for which they will certainly GAIN from.

I am asking for a donation for $250 or less. not $25,000.00

In return I have offered well over $250 in value for a simple one time donation to a very good cause. I see nobody losing here.


IF enough people DONATE to the purchase an established lakefront campground. Each will forever be able to visit, stay at, and enjoy all of it's amenities.

Where is the loss there?

Does one not wish/desire to vacation? go swimming? fishing? kayaking? camping? musical concerts? special speaking engagements?  arts and crafts? festivals?



This is/was a Girl Scout Camp since 1991. I have personally reached out to these girls, and they are completed devastated that their summer camp has been shut down, and they are very involved in helping raise the pledges needed to purchase this land from the Girl Scouts.

I have vowed to help these girls save their camp.

In the meantime, this is also a very well placed location for a LIBERTY BASE CAMP. Does the Free State Project have a Head Quarters? A physical OFFICE? I don't even know, BUT, I would be more than welcome to work WITH them to make this the HOME of FSP. 


YES. There are opportunities for those that wish to INVEST larger amounts ($10,000.00) to actually stake claim of (shareholder/owner) of the land. Build their very own dwellings, and live here, work here, raise their own food here.


You see, for the past 5 years I have strategically focused on properties that will appease everyone that has interest in such a joint venture. It's always been location location location.

I beg to differ that THIS chosen property is poorly positioned, and I purposely chose this location because it IS within ONE HOUR from the major job markets in NH. You can't please everyone. Especially when you are seeking over 25 individuals to permanently reside on site. Traveling ONE HOUR or less to gain employment off site is more than reasonable in the vastly rural state of New Hampshire. Don't think people live north of the White Mountains? sure they do, sure they travel over an hour to get to work.

Not everyone's skill set is evolved around "techies', and IF it is, there are several "techie" jobs that can be created here: solar / wind / hydro / bio mass / IT, etc. etc...

IT Tech jobs can be remote, work from home, and I know plenty of which that do so..

Many like me, are highly skilled craftsman and construction workers, other may aspire to be organic veggie& fruit farmers, others are into culinary, counseling, administrative workers, marketing, sales, wedding planners, animal vet techs, security, medical, activities directors, fishing/hunting/boating guides, equestrian tenders, landscapers, life guards, retail store/cashiers, permaculture / aquacultural professionals, fishery workers, foresters/arborist / horticultural experts, etc. etc. etc......I just rattled off more than 25 jobs that will be available ON SITE......   

Have you not realized the understanding that THIS property will actually create 25 jobs? So

"I think one issue with what you'd like to do is no one wants to commit money to something they think they will almost certainly lose.  You could do something like a Kickstarter crowd funding campaign.  That way people could commit money only if it's a success.  Also of course is jobs, most people need one and Camp Chenoa is pretty far from most major centers, being a half hour commute to either Keene or Concord and an hour to Manchester or Nashua where most the tech jobs are.  The Boston metro area is a big no go from there." Bazil.....


I HOPE THIS ANSWERS WHATEVER CONCERNS YOU HAVE.


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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 04:13:34 pm »

On another note...This poll has been read over 400 times, and has received 2 votes besides mine...Seriously? One can not simply just select an option? YES or NO ?


Confirming my thoughts that there is simply no commitment to much of anything on this site.


Out of the 400 plus that have read this poll, how many have actually been to NH or been to a PorcFest Event?
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2013, 04:41:32 pm »

I disagree with you on several points.  One if I give you $250 bucks and you don't get enough money to buy the campground before someone else does then I stand to lose the money or have it go to a different property I'm more opposed to.  So I may not gain at all unless you already have the money secured or some guarantee by the seller that they will wait till you have the money.  Also I don't think that position will garner you much interest.  Even if I didn't already have my own property it'd be no good for me for instance.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2013, 11:36:07 am »

well...again....I am not asking anyone for money...I am asking people to "PLEDGE" a donation...meaning IF there was enough interest, and the interested pledges reached a milestone amount, then there would be an obligation to donate....I am gauging interest. apparently nobody is interested in forming a tight knit community of like minded liberty lovers....a damn shame too, cuz when shtf....we are gonna be in for a world of hurt.
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2013, 02:45:20 pm »

The main movers (leaders) in the FSP don't seem to understand that most of the good ideas in the liberty community are coming from poorly socialised nerds and homeschoolers. I had the ability to get my parents family or church budget onto something we all thought might be useful. Liberty Village might not personally make most the money on what he wants to do and when people take his idea it may be highly modified by brilliant people but it's a brilliant idea.

I'm an unskilled unsocialized homeschooled guy and would love moving into a village of freedom folk full of nerdy youth! The opportunity you first 1,000 freestate capitalist are missing is to help educate very poor homeschooled young libertarians who know they need to study. I may have nothing to pay with yet so I'm willing to work as I learn. People will likely stay where they are educated and get jobs so you will naturally have your 20,000 as you adopt the most successful. We will also organically network with other liberty projects and agorist networks.
You need to try to be attractive to young people and help young people be more attractive. You want the project to survive don't you? Economic contractions are making young people, the most vulnerable in the middle class of the Western freedom community, third world poor. We don't need libertarians to vote for Ron Paul and fight on the libertarian issue of the day. We need family leaders and business leaders to work together and navigate the strengths and weakness of their underlings. We should consider why apes form complex family structures. We need people taking time to get to know each other and trying to figure out where real boarders are. We need to stop standing by the street with a typical political sign and instead learn ASL or Hindi. We should really focus on science and engineering and attract the personality types that may be making trillions soon and bring in a nerdy libertarian wave. We should write freedom oriented science fiction to attract nerd. We should listen less to libertarians and more to voluntaryist and come to see government as mythical and dead. We should focus on sharing data and learning languages art and science and confusing the opponent.
Libertarians do want to be free but New Hampshire seems like a place where a redneck wants to be free to circumcise and homeschool. You can have more intellect in New Hampshire if you listen to the intactivist community that has been flirting with us if you'd care to notice. You can find a lot of atheist backing if you would ask the same questions publicly. Are you buying camps for dirt poor libertarians and atheist with untrained nerd skills.

If you 1,000 don't have these skills just find voluntarist who do, and make life good for them!
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Re: A VERY IMPORTANT POLL: 15,000 people commited? HOW COMMITED??
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2013, 03:01:59 pm »

You claim in your first message in this thread that the donations are tax deductible.

Have you filed a form 990 with the IRS?  a 501-C3?

Where are you incorporated?

I have nothing against the concept, but you seem to be overeaching and need to do more groundwork.  

This idea was tried here almost a decade ago (see http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=8807.0 ) on a much smaller scale and still failed to attract enough participants.
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