Free State Project Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Floating Islands  (Read 7461 times)

Luck

  • FSP Participant
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2680
Floating Islands
« on: March 10, 2013, 08:43:09 pm »

Looks like the last time floating islands were discussed on the forum was in autumn 2011. It seems it was thought to be expensive, but I see now online that that ain't so. A guy in Mexico, Richart Sowa, built a couple of islands just using discarded plastic bottles held together in sturdy netting, upon which he fastened plywood and bamboo and then piled sand on top and planted mangrove trees, which grew over 30 feet tall in 5 years or so. He also planted banana trees and other food plants and had some chickens and was self-sufficient food-wise. See image below.

They survived hurricanes, but one got washed ashore in 2005 by a hurricane. Someone mentioned that there are unclaimed reefs in various places in the ocean. Floating mangrove islands could be floated to such reefs and perhaps anchored there permanently. That way anyone on the floating island would not be submerged in a hurricane or tidal wave.

Seems like Louisiana should use a similar method to re-establish the land it's been losing to the sea down there.

Here's a site that discusses Sowa's islands: http://www.infinite-love-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5920

This shows where mangrove trees grow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_map_mangrove_distribution.png
This shows ocean currents: http://earth.usc.edu/~stott/Catalina/images/Oceanography/surface%20currents.jpg
The latter seems to explain why mangrove trees don't grow along some coasts, i.e. because Arctic and Antarctic currents have cold water, apparently too cold for them.

So, if you find a nice unclaimed reef location, build your floating island near a mangrove coast where the current will later take your floating island to the reef. You'll probably need a motor boat to fine-tune your approach to the reef, like retrorockets on a spacecraft. You'll need to carry your anchoring with you.

You could also use your floating island for luxury cruises to make some money if you don't want to anchor them permanently. That might require having some good strong sails that can catch wind to move the island against a weak current. You'd probably have to haul your cruise passengers to your island via seaplane, helicopter or boat.

« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 08:47:05 pm by Luck »
Logged

Ambitious Ant

  • Guest
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 09:06:52 pm »

This is like seasteading I imagine. I'm interested in Project Blueseed and seasteading in general. Maybe something similar can get started soon. Fingers crossed.
Logged

Auspicious Aspect

  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 250
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 02:52:42 am »

Looks like the last time floating islands were discussed on the forum was in autumn 2011. It seems it was thought to be expensive, but I see now online that that ain't so. A guy in Mexico, Richart Sowa, built a couple of islands just using discarded plastic bottles held together in sturdy netting, upon which he fastened plywood and bamboo and then piled sand on top and planted mangrove trees, which grew over 30 feet tall in 5 years or so. He also planted banana trees and other food plants and had some chickens and was self-sufficient food-wise.

Someone mentioned that there are unclaimed reefs in various places in the ocean. Floating mangrove islands could be floated to such reefs and perhaps anchored there permanently. That way anyone on the floating island would not be submerged in a hurricane or tidal wave.

So, if you find a nice unclaimed reef location, build your floating island near a mangrove coast where the current will later take your floating island to the reef. You'll probably need a motor boat to fine-tune your approach to the reef, like retrorockets on a spacecraft. You'll need to carry your anchoring with you.


Artificial islands used as floating gardens are nothing new. The Aztecs and their neighbors used them extensively, and they are still used in some former Aztec areas near Mexico City.

But there are no unclaimed reefs, or any other land masses or shallow water areas on the planet, and there haven't been any for a long time. People have tried this idea before and always been muscled out by whatever government claims the area.
Logged

Ambitious Ant

  • Guest
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 09:18:00 pm »

Artificial islands used as floating gardens are nothing new. The Aztecs and their neighbors used them extensively, and they are still used in some former Aztec areas near Mexico City.

But there are no unclaimed reefs, or any other land masses or shallow water areas on the planet, and there haven't been any for a long time. People have tried this idea before and always been muscled out by whatever government claims the area.
And then, there was Project Blueseed.
Logged

crossonscout

  • FSP Participant
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 815
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2013, 10:39:28 pm »

I like the idea of getting away from it all and being by myself / just my wife (kids in the future) and whatnot... but I don't think that's the best way to further liberty. I think the best way to further the cause of liberty is exactly what the FSP is doing. Glad to be a part of such an amazing movement.  ;D
Logged
"When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act." - Why The Gun is Civilization

Ambitious Ant

  • Guest
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 11:54:05 am »

I think the best way to further the cause of liberty is exactly what the FSP is doing. Glad to be a part of such an amazing movement.  ;D
Amen!
Logged

Bazil

  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1027
  • not the spice and not the country
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 09:32:07 pm »

I've heard of people doing that before.  I seem to remember a story about 15 years ago where a couple in California made their own floating island with empty soda bottles or some such waste product.  Seems dangerous to me, one storm could wipe you out.
Logged
"If it ain't broke, fix it till it is!"- The government | "Politicians are like diapers, they need to be changed often, and for the same reasons!" -  a friend

freedomroad

  • Guest
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 10:44:44 pm »

You can do this anywhere. You are subjects to local and federal laws, though :( so yes, you can do this in NH.
Logged

Luck

  • FSP Participant
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2680
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2018, 02:45:24 pm »

Logged

jason_c

  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12
    • 4th Gen Tactical
Re: Floating Islands
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 09:48:39 pm »

I think the whole floating island idea is interesting.  It's just another way people are demonstrating their disgust for the systems as they are.  But I have a hard time thinking it's going to work.  One of the great advantages to freedom is freedom of association, and once you stuff X amount of people on a floating island, they need to either continue participating in the existing systems to associate with those back home, or limit their association to those who jump on the floating island (that's assuming no government interference from existing states). 
Logged
We cannot rid ourselves of the state if we need it to defend us.
Pages: [1]   Go Up