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John Edward Mercier

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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2013, 01:14:13 am »

The residents of the State of NH think that they can call upon the federal government to provide extra-constitutional support when they would like it; then refuse to accept it when they don't like it.

But once you bend it; you create a precedent that must be completely turned back.
Its this thinking they can have things both ways that results in people's angst.

                  Is this the same John that says 2 negatives equals a positive in LAW? Congress has exclusive legislative authority[not to EXCEED 10 ten sq miles over the uniited states? Look up ORIGINAL INTENT, then speak.   Federal govt has been taken over by UN IMF, World Bank and Elizabeth 20 years ago, where have you been????????
And it has joint authority over the remainder. That clause lays out that no State shall have jurisdiction over DC.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2013, 10:47:15 am »

The residents of the State of NH think that they can call upon the federal government to provide extra-constitutional support when they would like it; then refuse to accept it when they don't like it.

But once you bend it; you create a precedent that must be completely turned back.
Its this thinking they can have things both ways that results in people's angst.

                  Is this the same John that says 2 negatives equals a positive in LAW? Congress has exclusive legislative authority[not to EXCEED 10 ten sq miles over the uniited states? Look up ORIGINAL INTENT, then speak.   Federal govt has been taken over by UN IMF, World Bank and Elizabeth 20 years ago, where have you been????????
[/quote]And it has joint authority over the remainder. That clause lays out that no State shall have jurisdiction over DC.
[/quote]                                                   Joint authority over the remainder of what? Show me where, is it lawful, or legal, or under the color of law, or under the silence of Congress or of the state legislature or are you referring to a courts decision?
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2013, 06:24:34 pm »

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--- This is what your talking about. It gives Congress exclusive authority over DC and federal property purchased within a State. It doesn't restrict congressional authority to the District - not to exceed 10 square miles - as noted by all the extra Places purchased. It was done in a manner to keep the States from trying to legislate over federal property and the District, which had yet to be sited.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2013, 11:01:52 pm »

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--- This is what your talking about. It gives Congress exclusive authority over DC and federal property purchased within a State. It doesn't restrict congressional authority to the District - not to exceed 10 square miles - as noted by all the extra Places purchased. It was done in a manner to keep the States from trying to legislate over federal property and the District, which had yet to be sited.
                                                              As far as how I interpret this, become the seat of the govt and to exercise like authority over all places purchased , or over such district. I read that their authority over the legislation of the states aren,t within their authority. I realize it says first sentence that they exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, comma, then it limits their area of authority.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2013, 10:23:11 am »

It limits the area of exclusive authority.
Their authority over the remainder is limited by the other clausations and amendments.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2013, 12:03:40 am »

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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2013, 05:13:48 pm »

Things like control of interstate commerce wouldn't have any meaning if they only controlled federal land.
But they need to make sure that whatever State the federal land was situated in, that the State would not have authority over it.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2013, 08:10:08 pm »

Things like control of interstate commerce wouldn't have any meaning if they only controlled federal land.
But they need to make sure that whatever State the federal land was situated in, that the State would not have authority over it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The federal jackals are supposed to promote interstate commerce vs control and restrict it. But we don,t live in a perfect world or course. CDL rules, weight limits, licenses and regulations.FDA, ICE, DEA,etc.. That printing press bought them jackals many states , drug war, no child left behind, patriot act, highway fund bills, crime bills, ICLEI, they even took the state guard,.  But, state legislatures or states attorney general can always have their case[complaints] heard from SUPRA . Congress was voluntarily given authority over states through silence of legislature and color of law. States can push back every step of the way, but they want the money. Free money with conditions[your rights and freedoms]..
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2013, 09:58:03 pm »

Why does the United States government need to exist?
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2013, 05:14:08 pm »

Promote it? Does the wording in the US Constitution state 'promote'? Do you think that maybe they didn't mean 'promote'?

Travis... It exists because of the Colonies wanted more land. The Colonies got into the French & Indian War; and the British tax payers felt that the colonists should cover the costs of that war, because they directly would benefit from the expansion of territory. That taxation, and the means to achieve it, played a major role in the masses being willing to support secession from Great Britain. But to free themselves the Colonies had to unite and seek outside help, so the AofC was born - the US was founded in that document.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2013, 10:54:16 pm »

So let's replace that with DROs and defense organisations.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2013, 05:10:04 pm »

The AofC created a defense organisation. It wasn't till the US Constitution that economics and such became more of the issue.

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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2013, 04:44:50 pm »

Sorry Travis. I don't like to watch YouTube.
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Re: Sick of Vermont - Considering NH
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2013, 06:34:11 pm »

 ::) This link is right there. http://mises.org/daily/1855
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