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"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« on: July 19, 2003, 05:17:21 pm »

Ron Paul managed to get his bill to the House floor. Here is the tally:

http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/votes/?votenum=364&chamber=H&congress=1081

AK 1 yea
WY 1 yea
ID 1 yea, 1 nay
SD 1 not voting
all other states, nay

This is a fairly significant measure of state political culture, I think. The notion of getting us out of the UN is always going to be marginalized in the mainstream press. Apparently, the voters in ID and WY are not put off by a Rep who will vote to get us out.

Unfortunately, our sample size is small because our states only have one or two reps. But looking at that map is interesting. The only green states are the interior West and Alaska.
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Re:"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2003, 05:23:11 pm »

Way to go WY, ID and AK!!!  ;D ;D

That is so cool! If only Ron Paul came with us to the freestate.  :)
« Last Edit: July 19, 2003, 05:23:36 pm by Dalamar49 »
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Re:"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2003, 01:50:24 am »



AK 1 yea
WY 1 yea
ID 1 yea, 1 nay
SD 1 not voting
all other states, nay




Way to go,  Butch Otter of Idaho, --he may vote like a typical Republican on occasion, but he also voted 'nay' on the Patriot Act.  (He also came to power on an anti- drug-war libertarian campaign years ago back when next-door Oregon legalized marijuana in the 70's, but sadly, he doesn't talk about  legalizing drugs anymore).
 
You may also find it of interest that the lower house of the Utah state legislature actually promoted a bill with a large majority to issue a declaration from the state of Utah to Pres. Bush to get the U.S. out of the UN-- guess what, that stinkin' turncoat, senator Orrin Hatch warned the Utah governor that it would mar the reputation of Utah, encourage the "nutsos" in the state and do irreparable harm to the clout of Utah (read: Orrin's standing in powerful committees), so governor Leavitt announced that he would veto the bill and it died.  

If you have any doubts that the United Nations is not the most dangerous enemy facing liberty and what remaining sovereignty of the U.S. and by extension, the states, you need to keep-up.
Being against the United Nations isn't just for John Birchers and conspiracy theorists.

The United Nations has made it very clear that they wish to form a world government, install complete socialism world-wide, elevate the state above parents in raising children, end free trade, vanquish every gun,  and get this. . .they are actively seeking to install the UN in the drug war business, complete with all resources necessary, eventually controlling all armies!
Read a bit about them, I dare you!
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-30-2002/vo18no26_un_rigged.htm

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Re:"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2003, 02:13:32 pm »

I'm not sure I want the US out of the UN. I rather like our veto power.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2003, 03:20:14 pm »

I can't believe that NH voted to stay in the UN. This has got to be worse thing they could ever do. It ranks up there with Wyoming's new CC vote.  ;)
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2003, 04:06:04 pm »

While I'd rather the UN not exist, I'm concerned that if the US is not a member, it has the potential to give us far less leverage in international affairs in which we may a have legitimate interest.

For now, I say the United States should stay in the UN, but we should disengage from its buracracy.
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Re:"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2003, 04:50:43 pm »

I'd like to see America resign from the UN, kick their HQ out of our country and make it known throughout the world that we will fight against any effort to institute a one world government, and that we do not answer to the UN because we are a sovereign nation, we don't recognize the authority of their court, etc.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2003, 05:56:13 pm »

America will never decriminalize or legalize drugs if we continue our UN membership. UN rules and regulations say that member nations can't loosen up on their drug laws.

In Italy, activists in some radical political party twice collected enough signatures to allow a public vote on legalizing all drugs, but Italian courts prevented the vote because they said any relaxation of their drug laws would conflict with UN regulations.

I think both federal and UN regulations will eventually become an obstacle for the freestate when you eventually move to relax your drug laws.
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Re:"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2003, 07:29:00 pm »

While I'd rather the UN not exist, I'm concerned that if the US is not a member, it has the potential to give us far less leverage in international affairs in which we may a have legitimate interest.

For now, I say the United States should stay in the UN, but we should disengage from its buracracy.

I'm not sure I want the US out of the UN. I rather like our veto power.

Fact is, if the U.S. withdrew from the UN, it would become entirely irrelevant to any of us.  Right now, nearly half the operating budget for the UN comes from the U.S., which is the single largest contributor.  US withdrawal = near powerless UN.

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Re:"Get U.S. out of U.N." vote tally
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2003, 08:11:34 pm »

America will never decriminalize or legalize drugs if we continue our UN membership. UN rules and regulations say that member nations can't loosen up on their drug laws.

In Italy, activists in some radical political party twice collected enough signatures to allow a public vote on legalizing all drugs, but Italian courts prevented the vote because they said any relaxation of their drug laws would conflict with UN regulations.

I think both federal and UN regulations will eventually become an obstacle for the freestate when you eventually move to relax your drug laws.

Actually, from what I understand (and I'm no expert), all U.N. conventions and treaties have opt-out clauses that allow countries to opt-out (or not sign to begin with) those treaties which are contrary to that countries constitution.  

So theoretically the U.S. could end the Drug War(tm), since it has no constitutional basis to begin with, and not be in violation of the U.N. agreements (of course, I do believe there are steps we must take to rescind our agreement to the specific treaties; we couldn't just drop out at this point considering we've already signed).  

But we all know that the U.N. treaties have nothing to do with why we continue our War On (Some) Drugs(tm).  But it does make for a convenient excuse for politicians when they're backed into a corner.


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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2003, 11:22:27 pm »

You all think Wy with their guns laws and fingerprinting being sent to  DC is bad? Well the UN is wanting every country to begin to register the peoples guns and to turn that info over to them. They also want to start taxing people who has guns. Sweet huh?

Let me go and find a link for this.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2003, 11:50:05 pm »

It seems to me that our involvement in the U.N. has been very costly, as in "expensive".

Furthermore, as far as "leverage in International affairs" is concerned, Bush has demonstrated that "We doan need no stinkin' UN"....

For the record, I am NOT making any statement as to whether or not I agree with his international policies: that's an entirely different discussion.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2003, 08:03:10 am »

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nearly half the operating budget for the UN comes from the U.S.
Do we have to leave the UN in order to cut the amount we contribute? I say that if we have one of five veto votes, we should  contribute only 20% max. "UN? Yeah, this is US. Listen, this year, we're only sending you about 1/3 of what we usually send you. Okay, talk to you later."
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2003, 08:14:59 am »

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nearly half the operating budget for the UN comes from the U.S.
Do we have to leave the UN in order to cut the amount we contribute? I say that if we have one of five veto votes, we should  contribute only 20% max. "UN? Yeah, this is US. Listen, this year, we're only sending you about 1/3 of what we usually send you. Okay, talk to you later."

The U.S. actually did just that for several years!

One of the most staunch anti-UN Senators, 'Ol' Strom' spoke before the UN body back in 1999 in the most boldest terms telling every one of the members there that the UN was the worst failure in history and socialism was evil.  He was a strong advocate or getting the U.S. out.  When the Republicans took over the House back in 1994, there was a lot of talk of getting out, but the closest they ever got was to hold-back dues for several years.

Strom Thurmond's institute still lives on, however -- here is a very interesting 20 page report by the Strom Thurmond Institute:  THE FORGOTTEN CONCEPTS OF SOVEREIGNTY, INDEPENDENCE AND NATIONHOOD AS CRITERIAS FOR UN MEMBERSHIP
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