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Are you a participant in the Free State Project? Have you publicly said a nice thing about the FSP? Do you hang out with FSPers? Do you like liberty? This is your warning. The New Hampshire Democratic Party may try to out you as a FSPer, even if you aren't. With the average voter, being known as a FSPer is a net negative, so keep that in mind.

While a candidate being associated with the FSP used to go largely ignored in NH, things have changed. Democratic Party workers, Democratic activists and some Democratic and Republican union activists are writing editorials, letters to the editor, comments on online newspaper articles and blog posts trashing the FSP and trying to associate political candidates with the FSP. Democrats and union activists are out of power in NH and this is part of their strategy to get back into power.

The New Hampshire Democratic Party has a campaign strategy of outing as many people running for office as possible as FSPers, even if they are not FSPers.

I've seen the Democratic Party blog, http://www.bluehampshire.com , do story after story saying something negative about the FSP or FSPers. Comment after comment from Democratic Party complains about FSPers.

Here is a recent example of this, http://www.bluehampshire.com/diary/13424/

"That's the title of a rant written by Emily, co-winner of the Manchester primary yesterday for Ward 11 alderman. She's a Free State Project immigrant from Washington State."
The blog even called her an immigrant. This blogger sounds as if he or she has as much regional pride as a Southerner that calls people from New Hampshire damn yankees.

"Roy is running for School Board in Manchester's Ward 4. He's a Free-Stater, too, though he came here before the project got started."
Perhaps Roy is a FSPer, perhaps not. I don't know and neither does the author of the blog post. The so called proof that he is a FSP is that in 2004 he welcomed FSPers to NH. That is no proof at all. It seems that since he at one time said something nice of FSPers, he is considered a FSPer. That may be the new strategy of the Democratic Party.

"This lovely lady of the right, who I put on the left just to annoy her, is Tara, candidate for school board in Manchester's Ward 5.
As far as I know, she's not a member of the Free State Project - but I had to put her in here anyway."
That's right. Tara was lumped in with the FSP and included in this blog just because she is running for office and likes liberty.

"Last June, a handful of Free Staters were busted for scribbling all over the front of the Manchester police station with chalk, then incessantly razzing the cops who came out to respond. One of them was Mike, candidate for alderman in Ward 5.

This quest for 15 minutes of fame has been going on for a while - he was arrested in Keene back in January for a similar stunt."
That's right. Don't be surprised if the Democratic Party does a background check on you and spread anything negative they can, even in local elections.

"This Ovide Lamontagne supporter.. is Manchester's Michelle B wannabee, Lisa, running for alderman in Manchester Ward 7."
Again, it doesn't matter if you are a FSPer or not. The Democratic Party is trying to connect people that support liberty with FSPers and purposefully confuse the voters.

This has happened before on Blue Hampshire and even at the polls. When Andrew ran for state rep as a Democrat in 2010, Democratic State Reps and candidates for office were handing out illegal flyers against Andrew in the Democratic Primary. The state government was told of the illegal operation and before the day was over the Democratic Party stopped handing out flyers.

Republican State Rep and union activist Lee Quandt frequently says negative things about elected FSPers and the FSP in general. For example, in his most recent blog post, http://freestateblogs.net/node/12824 he incorrectly claims a Free State organization endorsed the losing candidate in the most recent special election for state rep in NH. Rep. Quandt knows that there is only one FSP organization and it is the FSP. He knows that the FSP doesn't get involved in politics or make endorsements. Yet he made that point up and mentioned the FSP for some reason.

Let it be known, if your name is in any way associated with the FSP and you run for office, the current New Hampshire Democratic Strategy may be to call you a FSPer, say untrue things about you, mention your criminal history and distort facts related to your life. If you are a FSPer, have even said anything positive about the FSP or are even remotely associated with a person that is a FSP and you use terms like liberty, don't be surprised if the Democratic Party comes after you.

The Democratic Party knows that being a FSPer is a net negative for a candidate in NH. The Democratic Party is out of power and it is trying to use this strategy to it's advantage.

What can you do? You can not tell people in NH that you are a FSPer, not post online in a way that associates you with FSPers if you are using your real name and so on. Some Democratic activists use these tactics. The tactics are not illegal or evasive. Protecting your privacy in such a manner is your right.

You could also not worry about trying to protect yourself and your family from the Democratic Party smears. Perhaps understand that you may be smeared if you like liberty. Perhaps double down, get as much political training as possible and work extra hard to win over the minds of the voters in your district by making sure you are known in your district for being a good person before you run for office.

Here is some excellent advice on the issue, http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4934.0

Note to Democratic Party workers and union activists. I have nothing personal against the Democratic Party or union activists as I have not been attacked by either group. I try to work with the elected Democrats and Democratic activists when possible and have a good relationship with one of my Democratic State Reps. Likewise, I'm not against unions and have a good relationship with one of my former Republican, union backed, Reps.
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Re: New Hampshire Democratic Party making every effort possible to out FSPers
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 11:32:36 am »

What can people do? Movers can build a life in the community they live in. Get involved, meet your neighbors, become part of THIS community. Or - do nothing but associate with other movers and remain in that small social circle.  ::)

If you have established yourself as a member of your community and decide to run for office, people will support you because they know you. Then, when the Democrat Party tries to paint you as some crazy outsider - which they will do - the people supporting you will care less because they already know you as an individual and not part of some sort of cult - as the Democrats would like to portray.
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Re: Democratic Party is against candidates that are FSPers or support liberty
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 09:51:22 pm »

I'm not sure exactly what date that this was published in seacoastonline.com, but I sent it on August 11th.

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I was taken somewhat back--but not surprised--by your recently published Letter. Free State Project built on ego and selfish ideals.  In 20 years of involvement in state and local politics, I have seen many baseless, negative attacks made against patriots who openly question the misuse of tax dollars and public power.  It should not surprise those socialists and interest groups getting our tax money that most Americans consider vote buying to be an immoral practice.

Over the years, we've grown accustomed to the same Smear & Fear strategy employed by the political insiders against anyone who openly challenges the status quo.  Who hasn't seen city council members shouting down private citizens for merely questioning the high cost of public projects, no-bid contracts, or administration?  Some insiders have even shut down small business owners, had children seized from their parents, prosecuted taxpayers advocates, or raided homes in retaliation for the public scrutiny.

From our home states, freestaters (many are veterans) saw regular eminent domain abuse by politically connected developers, six figure pensions and administrative "jobs" as payoffs to key public employees to keep them quiet, proprietary-bid contracts, and harassment of Americans by everyone from code enforcement to law enforcement.  Are such abuses are tolerable in a just society?  Corrupt politicians have always been able to simply buy more votes from key political constituencies with our tax dollars, creating a never ending spiral that results in the fiasco seen in California or New York.  For me, I am tired of seeing my fellow Americans being lied to while lives are ruined, innocent people prosecuted, and the Constitution trashed.

The Free State Project is necessary because we need to build a high enough level of civic involvement to vote out state and local politicians who use our own tax system, school districts, police departments, and zoning process to create favors for friends, violate property rights, and brazenly steal from the public.  Alexis de Tocqueville warned, ‎"A democracy... can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury."

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What can people do? Movers can build a life in the community they live in. Get involved, meet your neighbors, become part of THIS community.
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 the people supporting you will care less because they already know you as an individual
THIS, THIS, and THIS!!!

Folks, step #1 when you get to NH should be to VOLUNTEER IN THE COMMUNITY.
That means, at the food bank, at the old folks' home, at the animal shelter, on a local committee (recycling, budget, economic development, whatever).
That does NOT mean, open-carry cleanup, 420 rally, sign wave, or any other activism.

Everything else you do, should be secondary to your primary goal, which is to help make your new, local community -- your new home -- the best place it can be.
Do so with humility. The locals are not waiting with bated breath to hear your pearls of anarchist wisdom. But, AFTER you've worked hard to make the community a better place, the locals might actually be interested in what you have to say.

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Part of the price of politics. Are you ready to pay it?

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What can people do? Movers can build a life in the community they live in. Get involved, meet your neighbors, become part of THIS community.
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 the people supporting you will care less because they already know you as an individual
THIS, THIS, and THIS!!!

Folks, step #1 when you get to NH should be to VOLUNTEER IN THE COMMUNITY.
That means, at the food bank, at the old folks' home, at the animal shelter, on a local committee (recycling, budget, economic development, whatever).
That does NOT mean, open-carry cleanup, 420 rally, sign wave, or any other activism.

Everything else you do, should be secondary to your primary goal, which is to help make your new, local community -- your new home -- the best place it can be.
Do so with humility. The locals are not waiting with bated breath to hear your pearls of anarchist wisdom. But, AFTER you've worked hard to make the community a better place, the locals might actually be interested in what you have to say.

of course it helps also (as Denis knowingly or unknowingly suggests) if the things you volunteer for are traditionally "progressive" causes...
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Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were effective at promoting liberty, but so were R.W. Emerson and Mark Twain.  There have been many prominent writers, leaders, and activists who've openly promoted liberty and self-reliance in many different ways.  Open carry, in my opinion, is effective at restoring the gun culture of this state.  Liberty media is also effective.  It helps also, to video tape public officials abusing their power and posting that online.

IMX, however, volunteering and serving in local office (especially BudCom or Planning Board) are the two most effective things that someone can do to energize and organize local liberty folk who have otherwise be turned off.  Even for folks who are apolitical, political involvement can reach those folks who vote religiously and even have an impact on the local officials.  Political involvement and volunteering helps you reach folks, and people take you more seriously when they see that you care enough about the town to do something for it.
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With the average voter, being known as a FSPer is a net negative, so keep that in mind.

Actually, it's not. The average voter really doesn't seem to really care.

And I'm going to chalk that up to the average voter being a little more sensible than who ultra-polarized party platforms pander to.
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With the average voter, being known as a FSPer is a net negative, so keep that in mind.

Actually, it's not. The average voter really doesn't seem to really care.


I guess we have to agree to disagree :)  But before that, let me try to word it differently.  All other things being equal, no matter what district in NH a vote for state rep happens, if one of the candidates for state rep is an outed FSP participant, that candidate will lose votes because of that relation.
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Re: Democratic Party is against candidates that are FSPers or support liberty
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 09:53:40 pm »

All other things being equal, no matter what district in NH a vote for state rep happens, if one of the candidates for state rep is an outed FSP participant, that candidate will lose votes because of that relation.

Just ain't so.

The Democrats would like that to be true. But, from my personal observation, most voters just. don't. care. The Democrats really want to base some strategy off of it? There's opportunity in that. To destroy that prong of their strategy.

I have noticed that some Freestaters try to hide it. Typically good-eggs. I think that's a very bad idea. Fear-based behavior. Instead, we let the loud noisy-types create people's expectations of what Freestaters are about. When "we" do nothing, we let other groups tell our story for us. Someday, maybe we'll figure that out...
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Re: Democratic Party is against candidates that are FSPers or support liberty
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 10:03:17 pm »

FSP candidates should run. Get out there and show the statists that the movement isn't backing down.
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Re: Democratic Party is against candidates that are FSPers or support liberty
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 03:32:20 pm »

FSP candidates should run.
Many have; many are currently; many will continue to do so in the future

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Re: Democratic Party is against candidates that are FSPers or support liberty
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 04:48:17 pm »

yep running is good... even i did it once, and it was a positive experience.   A Democrat even offered to intervene on my behalf when there was a paperwork dispute.  A local Republican went and resolved the dispute in my favor. Then I came within six points of winning a state rep seat without campaigning or really even lifting a finger.  This is despite the fact I was in a Democrat district during a Democrat landslide.  The cost was two bucks.   The ladies at the office where I registered to run....knew who I was but were very nice.   Making it thru the primary made me a delegate.  Which meant I got to vote on who would be on the Manchester Republican Committee.   My vote put two libertarians on the Committee who otherwise would have lost. 

But the best part was I didn't have to actually *be* a state rep and do all that work lol.
 
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Re: Democratic Party is against candidates that are FSPers or support liberty
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 12:47:31 pm »

Now the Union Leader is doing it.  This is supposed to be an offline only article but I will post some of it here.  I will not post all of the multiply lies in the article.  IMO, this is bad reporting by BETH LaMONTAGNE HALL.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111011/NEWS15/710119971

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New Hampshire Union Leader, October 11, 2011

Democrats link 7 candidates to Free Staters in city races

Cry foul: Most of the candidates say they have no close ties to the group, but do share some positions

by Beth LaMontagne Hall

Manchester -- Voters should know before casting their ballots where city candidates stand on the issues, including those who have ties to the Free State Project, say City Democrats.

Manchester City Democrats have linked seven candidates for city office with the libertarian-minded group for signing on to the Free State Project, posting to the groups's website, being listed as friends of the organization or for receiving an endorsement from members of the project.

Most of the candidates interviewed said they are not closely tied to the group, if at all, but do share some positions held by Free Staters, such as favoring limited government intrusion in business and private lives and reduced spending and taxes.

First of all, the FSP doesn't have members.  Additionally, several of the people mentioned in the article aren't even Free Staters.  It's like BETH LaMONTAGNE HALL is trying to link them to the FSP, like she is trying to discredit them or something to get attention.

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The Free State Project is an effort to relocate 20,000 libertarian-minded people to New Hampshire to engage in the local political process in hopes of creating communities where government involvement is limited. Manchester City Democrats Chairman Bob Backus said residents should be made aware of any association with the group because of the impact these candidates would have on city services, such as politce protection and local education, if elected.

"Those are things we don't think can be left entirely to free market forces," said Backus.

That's not exactly what the FSP is about.  To me, that is a mischaracterization and Bob Backus likely knows that.

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"We think they bring to New Hampshire a perspective that's not a native-grown New Hampshire perspective. I think that's something people should know," Backus continued. We've always had a pro-individual liberty streak to us. In spite of that, I think most citizens believe we do have a community that we all share and support. Not everyone should be on his own all the time."

Interesting.  The most popular news paper with Democrats in NH recently published the Census information that most folks in NH aren't native to NH.  In fact, less than 42% of those in NH were born here.  I'm sorry Bob Backus, but that is even true for Manchester.  Most folks in Manchester were not born in Manchester or even NH.

Expect this strategy to continue for at least a few years.  The Democratic Party of NH has a large staff of folks paid with out of state money and they aren't very busy.  They have plenty of time to run background checks on every Free Stater in NH and associate anyone they want with a FSPer in some way or another.
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