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New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« on: June 26, 2011, 06:26:43 pm »

First, I'd like to thank Curtis for the hours he put into making this year's PF a success as the head organizer.  Having said that, the event next year should be headed up by someone different, at least until Curtis learns some tact, courtesy, and empathy.

As we were crowding on the hillside for the group photo, Curtis pointed out that that the photo would be taken at 4:20.  He then pointed out a certain group of people on one side of the hill and suggested people should "blow the smoke that way."  When 4:20 rolled around, he gave the classic 4:20 "smoke 'em if you got 'em" through the bullhorn, and a few people did.  There were various families with children sitting on the hill who were there ostensibly to have the group photo taken.  While they weren't stopped from leaving, we were packed in pretty tight and it would have been difficult to leave, though I know of at least one family who did.  So, without any warning, Curtis basically took a captive audience and made sure that those people - and their young children - were subjected to marijuana smoke, whether they wanted to be or not.  This would have been one thing had the event been a marijuana event and people were expecting that, but this is an event where every attendee of porcfest is encouraged to attend, and marijuana wasn't mentioned.

Curtis obviously lacks the maturity at this point to run an event with a wide range of people.  Until this changes, the FSP needs a different organizer for next year.  
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 07:25:08 pm »

I hear tell that some of the folks there had body odor (unsurprising after a week of camping), and families with young children were subjected to it.  The horror!

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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 07:58:53 pm »

I hear tell that some of the folks there had body odor (unsurprising after a week of camping), and families with young children were subjected to it.  The horror!

It's true, and if Curtis had encouraged people to rub their armpits in people's faces, my suggestion would be the same.
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 08:28:57 pm »

I hear tell that some of the folks there had body odor (unsurprising after a week of camping), and families with young children were subjected to it.  The horror!
It's true, and if Curtis had encouraged people to rub their armpits in people's faces, my suggestion would be the same.

Someone shoved a joint or pipe in someone else's face?  And Curtis asked them to do that?

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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 07:07:49 am »

I agree that it was completely inappropriate to turn the FSP photo into a 420 event, but...

were you one of the people wearing an NBC shirt?  I'm asking because I honestly don't know if you were.  I saw a cluster of people wearing matching t-shirts off in a corner and only heard what the shirts said later.  Bunch of collectivists working very hard to distance themselves from the rest of the bigger-than-ever crowd there and prostrate themselves to the mainstream peanut gallery in a very divisive and insulting manner.  Curtis should have found a more tactful way to make fun of them.

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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 07:38:23 am »

I think Jason Osborne should be the new organizer, but regarding this particular critique of Curtis, it seemed to me that he was simply acknowledging what was going to happen at 4:20 regardless.

I think parents need to grow the fuck up and have an honest conversation with their kids about pot, instead of expecting the rest of the world to coddle their children in some fantasy land where no such things exist.

Same thing with nudity.  I heard some parent(s) complained cause a woman was walking around wearing pasties on her nipples.

Porcfest is a family event, but only if the parents are running a family that is mature enough to actually have conversations with their kids rather than cowardly avoiding mature issues.

Grow up or get lost.  People smoke pot.  People get naked.  Whoop-de-doo.
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 11:03:48 am »

I think parents need to grow the fuck up and have an honest conversation with their kids about pot, instead of expecting the rest of the world to coddle their children in some fantasy land where no such things exist.

Same thing with nudity.  I heard some parent(s) complained cause a woman was walking around wearing pasties on her nipples.

Porcfest is a family event, but only if the parents are running a family that is mature enough to actually have conversations with their kids rather than cowardly avoiding mature issues.

Grow up or get lost.  People smoke pot.  People get naked.  Whoop-de-doo.

La la la... he said nothing about that.

He said that the PorcFest photo was turned into a 420 event, and that the FSP's representative directed one group of people to be very disrespectful to another group of people.
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 11:55:58 am »

I agree that it was completely inappropriate to turn the FSP photo into a 420 event, but...

were you one of the people wearing an NBC shirt?  I'm asking because I honestly don't know if you were.  I saw a cluster of people wearing matching t-shirts off in a corner and only heard what the shirts said later.  Bunch of collectivists working very hard to distance themselves from the rest of the bigger-than-ever crowd there and prostrate themselves to the mainstream peanut gallery in a very divisive and insulting manner.  Curtis should have found a more tactful way to make fun of them.

Dale, I was wearing an NBC shirt on the hill. I had my 3 sons on the hill with me (they're 4,3, and 2) I think Curtis' joke was appropriate and well timed. I think the delay until 4:20 was a bit of a pain as everybody was in each others space. I also didn't smell anything, so I was not at all offended by the acts of those lighting up to celebrate. But all of those pot smokers (who I assume were at the upper left of the photo) were doing the same thing you accuse the t-shirt wearers of doing, all of their defiant acts of individuality just happened to spontaneously coincide, whereas ours was planned in advance.


I think Jason Osborne should be the new organizer, but regarding this particular critique of Curtis, it seemed to me that he was simply acknowledging what was going to happen at 4:20 regardless.

I think parents need to grow the fuck up and have an honest conversation with their kids about pot, instead of expecting the rest of the world to coddle their children in some fantasy land where no such things exist.

Same thing with nudity.  I heard some parent(s) complained cause a woman was walking around wearing pasties on her nipples.

Porcfest is a family event, but only if the parents are running a family that is mature enough to actually have conversations with their kids rather than cowardly avoiding mature issues.

Grow up or get lost.  People smoke pot.  People get naked.  Whoop-de-doo.

I think there's something else going on here, maybe another thread of "Oh god, what are THOSE people doing?" on another forum?
There was definitely nudity up by my site, because at least one of my kids had taken off his pants and run to the playground.
I went down to Fixx Brewing and the group of guys across the way decided to light up and when they saw me and my kids they voluntarily said "We'll move this to the back side" and they walked the six feet to keep smoke away. That was very mature of them, I didn't ask them to. I figured that my kids at ground level probably weren't going to get damaged by the minuscule amount of smoke in the air.However when another group busted out a tray of glass pipes, I didn't complain to the people on the campsite, I walked my kids up to the playground.

I honestly don't know where your complaints are coming from. If you could direct me to the locations where people are voicing these opinions I'll back you up.

But could you address the original main point of the OP? Was Curtis a good Tsar? Or should he be replaced? He should have a lot of notes about how things could be better next year. You'll lose some of that if you replace him. Although I've heard a couple critiques of his management style, I don't know how much would be required before you would consider replacing him.
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 11:56:09 am »

First, let me say:

1) I did not attend Porcfest

2) I do not have children

3) I am new here and don't know anyone so therefore am not taking sides

After reading the above comments, I just wanted to volunteer my humble opinions.

The thing about people, we are all similar, yet different.  I believe every human being has the right to choice and free will.

Some people are regularly drug tested in their line of work (even if the individual personally supports the decriminalization of all drugs).  So, that individual might choose to distance themselves from those smoking pot to avoid any contact with it.  Also, maybe some people just don't like the smell of smoke in general,  and have gotten up and walked away from an area with cigarette smokers.  I also have excused myself from an intoxicated person (I wanted to avoid vomit, and what was funny to a drunk person was not funny to a sober person).  People have excused themselves from me when I had too much to drink, and I didn't take it personal.  So, perhaps a person isn't in denial, or in a fantasy, maybe they are just exercising their freedom of choice.

Also, if I had children, I don't want anyone raising my kids for me.  I want to decide at what age my child learns about death, war, pot, religion, nudity, pornography, etc.  As an adult, I don't care to see people walking around naked, near naked, etc.  So, I might excuse myself politely from that situation.  If I want to look at naked people I will join a nudist colony. Since the U.S. is supposed to be the fattest  country on earth, why do we want to run around naked?  However, I support everyone's right to do so. Maybe a parent doesn't want to answer at this exact moment why there are different shapes, sizes, and who knows what other questions the kid is going to have.  Maybe I want to teach my child to see beyond the breasts into what is really important, but others must allow me to choose what and when I teach my child, just as they choose in their own lives.  Just because I don't show my kid porn movies (example) doesn't mean I deny they exist, nor do I expect others to deny they exist.  However, I want my child to learn these things from me so they can learn my feelings and then form their own.    

Excusing myself from a situation is my choice just as it is another's choice to walk around naked, near naked, etc.  I think we all have a right to live peaceful and happy, but sometimes we just have to agree to disagree. That doesn't mean we can't be good neighbors to one another.  Afterall, we all want freedom and less interference in our lives, right?  Personally, I wouldn't want the mosquito bites of being almost naked in the woods.

My suggestion is that this is an opportunity.  An opportunity to improve Porcfest even further.  Since Porcfest has a goal of making every Liberty Lover welcome, without discrimination, consider making an "Over 21" area where nudity, drink, etc. can be done openly and everyone is informed.  If a parent chooses to bring their 5 year old to that area, fine.  What is appropriate for one child's maturity level might not be appropriate for another child of the same age. Just make it clear that adult activities are in progress in this area.  Then, have an "All ages" area that a parent can turn their kids loose and not worry if they will have to have the sex talk with a child they feel is to young to have that conversation with.  Just as I don't want my hypothetical kid learning the "f" word from their uncle because then that is the only word they want to use....the one I ask them to stop saying (because it pops out at the worst times).  

Some parents allow their child to have a glass of wine/alcohol with dinner, while other parents do not allow alcohol until a certain age, and others don't allow it at all.  I support the parent's right to choice and right to parent.

What works for one person, doesn't for the next.  What is fun for one person is boring to the next.  So, why not show support for freedom of choice by providing choice?  Make family friendly areas (just like the quiet zones).  Then make "anything goes" zones.  Isn't there an "Under 21" category on this message board.... why not extend that to Porcfest?  People have already been praised above for their hard work in organizing, so that doesn't seem to be the issue.  Instead it seems there is now an opportunity for Porcfest to grow and expand again, offering freedom lovers more choices in the future.  

I don't deny pot, nudity, or anything else in society exists.  However, I do ask people to respect my choice not to partake the same way I respect their right to partake.  Just because we don't have ALL of the same interests doesn't mean I want to stop others from their pursuit of happiness, nor do I wish to be judged or stopped on my choices in my pursuit of happiness.  While we might share opinions on some topics, some people might be very liberal, some people extremely conservative, and others are middle of the road.  We all have a right to free will and to choose how we are comfortable living.  We must respect another's opinions and choices, even if we disagree with them, if we want others to respect our choices and right to choice.

Anyway, just thought I would toss a neutral, friendly opinion in the discussion.  

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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 01:02:04 pm »

i think i'll have to agree with ian on this point...sort of. while i do have two small children, i flew solo at porcfest this time. had they been there, would i have minded the pot smoke? no, i don't think so. i think that a big part of freedom is learning to get used to the fact the your neighbors might engage in activities in which you yourself do not engage (such as smoking weed). kids are going to find out what cannabis is eventually anyway, so what's the harm? if there were any individuals who were actually blowing smoking in children's faces, then shame on them....but i doubt that that was actually going on. i enjoyed the open cannabis use at porcfest, but was careful to not be so open about it that i would be bothering anyone. another part of freedom is respecting those around you. if you are a parent, and you feel someone is being rude about his or her pot smoking (by doing it too close to your children or whatever), then SAY SOMETHING TO THAT PERSON...or, if you prefer, just walk away.
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 01:21:37 pm »

But all of those pot smokers (who I assume were at the upper left of the photo) were doing the same thing you accuse the t-shirt wearers of doing, all of their defiant acts of individuality just happened to spontaneously coincide, whereas ours was planned in advance.

Wearing shirts labeling yourself "normal" by comparison to certain others who are by implication "not normal" is an act of defiance?  4 realz?  Ooooooooookay.  Seems like an act of trying to fit into and appeal to the mainstream which is kind of like the opposite of an act of defiance.

Anyways, the shirt is actually kind of funny just as an inside joke between those of us who realize there is such a variety of personalities within the FSP.  I already feel I have over-reacted.  Some people were offended by it but maybe they (and I for a little while) are just reading a little too much into it.  That said, I'm still going to make fun of you guys tonight on FTL.  The ribbing is all in good fun.

I don't really feel qualified to judge Curtis' performance beyond this incident.  I have heard hearsay about scheduling problems and such.  (I did just check and noticed that Prometheus Unchained and Corey Moore's VORD in the media room Saturday afternoon never did make it to the online schedule.)  My overall experience of Porcfest was positive but I feel like it would take work to screw up what is largely so good because it forms organically from lots of different folks doing their own things.  I will say that it was a little like a movie that's really good all the way through and then kind of ends on a whimper since apparently nothing happened Sunday when I'm so used to a nice cap off.  When you've had a wonderful week, it's nice to stick around and bask in the afterglow and hear the numbers, the excitement about next year's PF, news about Liberty Forum, etc.  That did feel like a pretty glaring hole in my expected experience at PF but I don't know who's responsible for that.

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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 01:29:08 pm »

You know, I stopped being offended about the t-shirts.  My initial reaction was WTF!?  But then I realized it was prolly just playful ribbing from the more conservative types toward the more libertine types and it's just kind of funny.  And then I thought back to Curtis' comment and realized it felt very much the same way.  People WERE smoking pot, outdoors, with plenty of fresh air, and the idea of blowing smoke ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE CROWD toward the t-shirt group is pretty obviously just playful ribbing and an empty threat.  Even a comment about 420 is going to be either lost on kids completely or if it isn't, they're learning nothing new because they already get it.

This is much ado about nothing.

Now whether he effed up PF, and if so, how much, remains to be discussed.

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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 01:32:17 pm »

I do think that Porcfest does need another organizer for 2012, however for several different reasons.  I had heard from several vendors and event organizers that the ball had been dropped on organizing their events and supplies / advertisements where not delivered in a timely fashion that a serious last minute stains where placed on the vendors and event organizers.  Closing ceremonies, did they happen?  Not that I'm big on events however the fact that lots come from out of state and that is an investment for them. As this has historically been a good session on the progress of the FSP epically for those from out of state and /or considering the FSP.          
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 08:07:19 pm »

People WERE smoking pot, outdoors, with plenty of fresh air, and the idea of blowing smoke ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE CROWD toward the t-shirt group is pretty obviously just playful ribbing and an empty threat. 
That was how I took it.  I thought it was a joke.
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Re: New Event Organizer for PorcFest 2012
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2011, 05:35:39 am »

I was there with my children.  It was funny the first time when Curtis said that the photo would be at 4:20 and everyone got it.  When he continued to press the 4:20 theme it got old.  I consider him guilty of bad and perhaps inappropriate humor given the situation.

No harm, no foul.
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