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fedupwiththeusa

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where to begin??
« on: March 28, 2011, 02:47:14 pm »

Hello freestaters! I need your help...the idea of a free state sounds great! I could actually see us all living in NH, and enjoying life....however, what good does it do to be a free state, when we would still fall under the Federal umbrella, and all that is wrong with the federal government? We can live all we want in a free state, but how will it stop the outrageous foreign policy, how will it stop the outrageous federal spending, how will it stop the fraud, waste and corruption?? I dont know the answers, I'm looking for answers here. People, please help. Thank you.
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 03:21:49 pm »

First thing is since NH has first in the nation primaries, we have an early stage to affect the political debate. Lots of feet on the ground pushing for the Ron Pauls or Gary Johnsons helps put them on the main stage. Having US Senators and Congressmen willing to take firm stands will help, too.

One example of something started in the Free State by a Free Stater, Jenn Coffey who helped spearhead opposition to the National ID card. It started in NH, other states got on board, and I think there are 20 states now opposing it, and last I saw the feds were delaying the implementation yet again.

There's not much one state can do to fix the federal government, but states can stand up to protect their citizens freedoms. There have been a lot of bills submitted this year dealing with greater state sovereignty. There was a bill introduced to arrest TSA agents for sexual harassment if they grope passengers.
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 03:23:04 pm »

Hello fedupwiththeusa,

Many of us are working hard to do just want you want, right here in NH.  The more people we have working smarter, rather than harder, the more successes we will have and the sooner they will come.

NH rejected the federal REAL ID law even though NH would have made millions if NH went along with the program.  NH has selected to be a test state.  NH has rejected adult seat belt laws (the only state with no adult seat belt laws) over and over again, even though NH would have gotten millions in federal hand outs if NH went along and joined the 49 other states.  State after state has rejected federal laws on various issues or nullified possible future law, this isn't just happening in NH.  It's one of the top liberty issues in the nation right now.  

Even in NH, bill after bill that nullifies certain federal law is moving forward where several bills recently passed the NH House including:
NH House passes HB 442 medical cannabis http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283657-NH-House-passes-HB-442-medical-cannabis
NH House passed bill requiring the NH AG to join a lawsuit challenging Obamacare http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283726-NH-House-passed-bill-requiring-the-NH-AG-to-join-a-lawsuit-challenging-Obamacare
NH House passes bill to repealing the New Hampshire rail transit authority http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283898-NH-House-passes-bill-to-repealing-the-New-Hampshire-rail-transit-authority
NH House passed a bill banning corn-based ethanol as an additive to gasoline sold in NH http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283811-NH-House-passed-a-bill-banning-corn-based-ethanol-as-an-additive-to-gasoline-sold-in-NH
NH House passes HCR9 urging Congress to support Ron Paul's H.R. 6416 http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283807-NH-House-passes-HCR9-urging-Congress-to-support-Ron-Paul-s-H.R.-6416
NH House passed resolution HCR12 to remove the US from NAFTA http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283767-NH-House-passed-resolution-HCR12-to-remove-the-US-from-NAFTA
NH House passed resolution HCR11 to remove the US from the United Nations http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283765-NH-House-passed-resolution-HCR11-to-remove-the-US-from-the-United-Nations

All it takes is a strong, pro-liberty pro-state government Governor and legislature to stand up to the federal government.  Unfortunately, NH's Gov. Lynch is only known for standing strong against the federal government on REAL ID.  However, another governor may care more about the interests of NH residents.
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 04:24:30 pm »

One example of something started in the Free State by a Free Stater, Jenn Coffey who helped spearhead opposition to the National ID card. It started in NH, other states got on board, and I think there are 20 states now opposing it, and last I saw the feds were delaying the implementation yet again.

That was Joel Winters, not Jenn Coffey, FYI.

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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 05:43:43 pm »

One example of something started in the Free State by a Free Stater, Jenn Coffey who helped spearhead opposition to the National ID card. It started in NH, other states got on board, and I think there are 20 states now opposing it, and last I saw the feds were delaying the implementation yet again.

That was Joel Winters, not Jenn Coffey, FYI.

Joe

Actually, both of you are correct as it was both of them.  Jenn Coffey ran Granite State ID. http://freestateblogs.net/node/2687
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 05:52:15 pm »

One example of something started in the Free State by a Free Stater, Jenn Coffey who helped spearhead opposition to the National ID card. It started in NH, other states got on board, and I think there are 20 states now opposing it, and last I saw the feds were delaying the implementation yet again.
That was Joel Winters, not Jenn Coffey, FYI.
Actually, it was both of them.  Jenn Coffey ran Granite State ID. http://freestateblogs.net/node/2687

However, if one "spearheaded" the opposition, it was Winters.  I don't happen to like him, for a variety of other reasons, but he certainly deserves credit for that.

Joe
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 05:59:50 pm »

One example of something started in the Free State by a Free Stater, Jenn Coffey who helped spearhead opposition to the National ID card. It started in NH, other states got on board, and I think there are 20 states now opposing it, and last I saw the feds were delaying the implementation yet again.
That was Joel Winters, not Jenn Coffey, FYI.
Actually, it was both of them.  Jenn Coffey ran Granite State ID. http://freestateblogs.net/node/2687

However, if one "spearheaded" the opposition, it was Winters.  I don't happen to like him, for a variety of other reasons, but he certainly deserves credit for that.

Joe

I think they both did amazing work, as did State Rep. Neal Kurk.  BTW, Joel is an awesome guy and I'm glad to have volunteered for him for many, many hours.  I'm also happy that 2 people I encouraged to move to NH, that are now State Reps, volunteered for him for many hours.  I think both Jen and Joel deserve credit. 

It's like how both Denis and I worked hardest to prevent the horrible mandatory adult seat belt bill from becoming law.
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 01:22:10 am »

I always lol when people post the freedoms presented by the NH Legislature.

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2011, 08:27:33 pm »

I stumbled upon the fsp completely by accident but I've been awake for about 5 yrs now.  Left the left right paradigm and think this is the coolest thing I've heard of in the whole freedom movement.  I am completely on board with the idea of moving to NH.  I've lived in AR, CO, and currently NY.  I don't know if my wife will get on board with moving or not.  I have to save for a yr or so before I can actually move, but I'm close enough to plan a visit at some point.  I'm excited about the future of this project and hope I can be a part of it.
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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2011, 05:32:11 am »

I always lol when people post the freedoms presented by the NH Legislature.



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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2011, 12:51:20 pm »

Hello freestaters! I need your help...the idea of a free state sounds great! I could actually see us all living in NH, and enjoying life....however, what good does it do to be a free state, when we would still fall under the Federal umbrella, and all that is wrong with the federal government? We can live all we want in a free state, but how will it stop the outrageous foreign policy, how will it stop the outrageous federal spending, how will it stop the fraud, waste and corruption?? I dont know the answers, I'm looking for answers here. People, please help. Thank you.

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Re: where to begin??
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 07:39:37 pm »

http://freestateproject.org//intro/states_rights

EDIT: looks like the above page disappeared  ???
I've pinged the FSP-IT guys to see if it's down the memory hole, or what
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