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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 02:48:21 pm »

Bazil...
You think your mommy and daddy should have jurisdiction over your health, education, and welfare?


Not after I move out, but while I still live with them yes.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 03:11:05 pm »

A constitutional amendment would make it a permanent relationship.
Nowhere in the wording does it state 'while living under their roof'.
They would have that power until such time as they were 'deceased'.

Now HB590... if taken to strict interpretation without protected privilege... that would have a major effect.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 03:43:01 pm »

A constitutional amendment would make it a permanent relationship.
Nowhere in the wording does it state 'while living under their roof'.
They would have that power until such time as they were 'deceased'.

Now HB590... if taken to strict interpretation without protected privilege... that would have a major effect.


Well I haven't read the bill carefully, just skimmed over it.  If that is the case it needs to be amended
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 03:46:44 pm »

http://www.nhliberty.org/bills/view/2011/HB569 - separation of Marriage & State

I went over this and pretty much doesn't do anything except replace marriage with "domestic union"  throughout the law.  So it functionally does very little.  However one thing I did notice is that it removes the restrictions on marrying under aged persons if you are a religious organization, the rules are still in place for the government.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 06:02:10 pm »

A constitutional amendment would make it a permanent relationship.
Nowhere in the wording does it state 'while living under their roof'.
They would have that power until such time as they were 'deceased'.

Now HB590... if taken to strict interpretation without protected privilege... that would have a major effect.


Well I haven't read the bill carefully, just skimmed over it.  If that is the case it needs to be amended
Its states exactly what was posted. People keep thinking that the Legislature can make a statute over riding the constitution for the age of majority. But the statute would be considered contrary to the constitutional article.

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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 06:07:01 pm »

http://www.nhliberty.org/bills/view/2011/HB569 - separation of Marriage & State

I went over this and pretty much doesn't do anything except replace marriage with "domestic union"  throughout the law.  So it functionally does very little.  However one thing I did notice is that it removes the restrictions on marrying under aged persons if you are a religious organization, the rules are still in place for the government.
Marriage would become a cultural institution... so a marriage performed in NH would have no legal standing.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 06:51:11 pm »

http://www.nhliberty.org/bills/view/2011/HB569 - separation of Marriage & State

I went over this and pretty much doesn't do anything except replace marriage with "domestic union"  throughout the law.  So it functionally does very little.  However one thing I did notice is that it removes the restrictions on marrying under aged persons if you are a religious organization, the rules are still in place for the government.
Marriage would become a cultural institution... so a marriage performed in NH would have no legal standing.


Yeah, but functionally it just turns "domestic union" into the same thing as marriage.  So if the bill passes I would be in a domestic union with my wife, which functionally is no different than the current definition of marriage.  It's like renaming "cats" to "qats" and then saying cats no longer exist.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 07:12:48 pm »

Correct. Its basically getting rid of the religious connotations associated with the term 'marriage'.
Which is the largest arguement against same-sex marriage. It doesn't solve the poly issue... but its a step.

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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2011, 06:18:03 am »

/bump lots of bills got voted on yesterday in the House, lots more getting voted on today. Things are going well for us :)

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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2011, 06:55:45 am »

Correct. Its basically getting rid of the religious connotations associated with the term 'marriage'.
Which is the largest arguement against same-sex marriage. It doesn't solve the poly issue... but its a step.



Wrong - not a positive step.   It endangers spousal benefits for individuals working in Mass (one in 5 granite staters), whiose supreme court has ruled that nothing short of something called 'marriage' IS a marriage.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2011, 09:47:51 am »

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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2011, 02:56:42 pm »

Correct. Its basically getting rid of the religious connotations associated with the term 'marriage'.
Which is the largest arguement against same-sex marriage. It doesn't solve the poly issue... but its a step.



Wrong - not a positive step.   It endangers spousal benefits for individuals working in Mass (one in 5 granite staters), whiose supreme court has ruled that nothing short of something called 'marriage' IS a marriage.

If you're worried about that marry in a different state.  I got married in Maine.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2011, 06:27:43 pm »

Correct. Its basically getting rid of the religious connotations associated with the term 'marriage'.
Which is the largest arguement against same-sex marriage. It doesn't solve the poly issue... but its a step.



Wrong - not a positive step.   It endangers spousal benefits for individuals working in Mass (one in 5 granite staters), whiose supreme court has ruled that nothing short of something called 'marriage' IS a marriage.
Only for those bound in NH after the bill becomes enacted. Leading is always a hard thing to do.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2011, 04:38:25 pm »

Some good stuff on that list. I wish the FSPers in the house good luck. 

I wish all the pro-liberty reps good luck.
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Re: Lots of hot, pro-liberty bills in NH legislature
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2011, 06:01:32 pm »

Some good stuff on that list. I wish the FSPers in the house good luck. 

I wish all the pro-liberty reps good luck.

Isn't it funny that all these gains are being made when the GOP gained huge supermajorities in both houses. Its not a coincidence.
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