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Tuk

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Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« on: January 27, 2011, 05:33:18 am »

I currently live in Boise, Idaho and enjoy the cultural atmosphere here. I feel that I'm pretty free, especially looking at the news of what's going on in other states. Our police are friendly, and I've only been pulled over late at night when they screen traffic leaving downtown for drunk drivers, an operation I fully support. Our governor is a Republican with some serious libertarian leanings. He has managed to balance the budget through spending cuts to things like Medicaid and education and has refused to raise taxes, preferring to cut them wherever he can.

I also enjoy reasonable taxes here: such as a 6% sales tax, 7.8% income tax rate, and 1.3% property tax rate. In comparison NH has no sales or income tax, but suffers a 3% (I think, did a ton of googling and can't find a % listed by any *.gov site, it could be over 30% depending on the data from http://www.nh.gov/revenue/munc_prop/municipalservices.htm  ) property tax rate. Correct me if I'm wrong. So while my current tax burden is much less than most states, it would benefit me to move to NH for this reason.

I am looking at moving to Concord this June for a few years while attending UNH law school, providing they accept me. Yep. I want to be a lawyer. I'm not sure what type of law I would specialize in, but since law school is 3 years, I'm sure I'll figure it out in that time. I suppose I would like to defend those who are convicted of stupid crimes, like marijuana possession and wearing a hat in a courtroom and such. On that note, I should mention that I don't do drugs, but as a libertarian I think the government has no place telling people what they can and cannot ingest. The reason I brought this up will become apparent shortly.

I have never really been in the East, let alone North East. I have heard that North-easterners are not fond of outsiders. I've also compared demographics and realized that NH is actually whiter than Idaho...a scary thought as the people here can sometimes be revealed as redneck racist types. I like diversity, and feel like if I'm going to move I should go somewhere that increases that diversity, but at the same time I'd like to live near people with similar beliefs as my own.

I have visited Washington D.C. a few times, most recently to receive the Gold Congressional Award. I met my state Reps, Senators, and previous Governor. As a young boyscout I was able to get a law passed in Nevada that reduced the cost of Purple Heart custom license plates for veterans.

I'm a civil libertarian and with the exception of voting am not an activist nor plan to be involved with much activism. Once in NH I might go to a march or protest if I have friends that are going. I also don't like proselytizing any of my personal beliefs to others, and will likely not go around trying to convince people of libertarian ideas.

I currently work as a Psychosocial Rehabilitation counselor, which means my pay comes indirectly from the Idaho Dept. of Health & Welfare / Medicaid. While I do have a B.A. In Psychology, I don't plan on continuing this as a career, so it's fine if there are no PSR/Case Worker type jobs available in NH currently. But I figured I'd mention that I basically work for a government program I don't like, just to see how people here respond.

I know others have asked about jobs and from the sound of it NH won't be too difficult to get a college-job in while going to school. How's rent? In Boise I can count on $500 covering all of my rent/utilities if I find a cheapo place. I currently pay $200/mo in rent + $80 electric, but I'm also living with some close friends who cut me a deal.

Now the fun stuff: I also work in event production, specifically as a lighting designer. Basically, I help throw raves. And if I move to NH you better believe I'm bringing the party with me. Some quick googling hasn't turned up much of a music scene thus far, so I'm curious if anyone here is aware of an electronic dance music scene in NH? I've seen some craigslist ads for wedding Djs, but I'm talking about Trance/House/PsyTrance/Drum N Bass/etc etc. I'm not a DJ myself, but may have to learn before moving if there aren't many in NH. Yes, I realize NH is tiny and there are plenty of cool states nearby, like a 5 hour trip to New York to go party my raver pants off, but I would enjoy not having to travel far. And is anyone aware of any big events similar to Burning Man in the East?

Anyhow, that's all I've got for now. Sorry for the wall of text, but I'll put some TL;DR bullet points below. I'll also mention that I learned about the FSP from Patri Friedman when I was attending the first Ephemerisle event held by the Seasteading Institute. If you don't recognize those names, look them up.

TL;DR
  • Idaho is already pretty libertarian, so is it really worth moving to NH just to be marginally freer?
  • I'm not certain I'd fit in with some of the people in the FSP because I like/respect the police and appreciate what they do. True/False? I suppose this may be because Idaho cops don't suck that badly.
  • I'm an anti-government healthcare, government healthcare worker.
  • I like EDM and dance party events so much that I help throw them. Are there any in NH?
  • How is rent in Concord and Keene?
  • I am not, and do not intend to be an activist. Not only am I not certain that I would see any sort of lifestyle upgrade by moving, I'm also not even certain I'd fit in with the FSP people. This isn't that big of a deal to me ultimately, and would not prevent me from moving, but I'm curious in getting some feedback here.

And as a footnote, yes I know about PorcFest, no I'm not sure it's worth the expense, but yes I would probably go to it prior to moving to establish a support-base if I were to move. I may also bring another libertarian friend with me, but he'll have to post his own 'book' here  ;D
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Dreepa

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Re: Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 01:33:36 pm »

welcome Tuk.

I looked at moving to Idaho before I had heard of the FSP... I too love Idaho.

I do think you will fit in.  There are many of 'your type' here in the FSP.  Concord is easy to get around in.  You would likely pay more than you listed unless you are going to get a roommate.

There aren't many raves that I am aware of but Manchester or down in MA would be more likely.

You wouldn't be an activist?  So you wouldn't help on a political campaign?  Outreach?  single issue?
If you are planning on doing nothing but moving... I would recommend NOT signing up for the FSP.

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Re: Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 02:20:14 pm »

Whether New Hampshire has the lowest taxes already should be a secondary consideration.  It's easier for places like Idaho, Wyoming, and Alaska to have lower taxes due to their low population density, high natural resources per capita, inflow of Federal funds, and distance away from socialist cesspools like Boston.

The primary promise of the Free State Project is to create a real-life libertarian culture, which is easier to achieve in one place like New Hampshire since it's already the focal point.  Free Staters can establish libertarian business networks, educational institutions (from kindergartens to graduate schools and professional think-tanks), local militias, charter cities, voluntary mutual aid societies, government-free local telecommunications infrastructure (ex. wireless mesh Internet), become the Silicon Valley of emerging self-reliance technologies (from security to high-tech greenhouse agriculture), etc, etc, etc.

It might not create a libertarian utopia, but it is a great stepping stone and a staging area for other future ideas.
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Re: Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 03:37:26 pm »

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I have heard that North-easterners are not fond of outsiders.

Ayyup.  We New Englanduhs don't care much for yon outsiduhs movin in.  :-)

I've never had that vibe here.  Quite a few of the non Free-State people I've met have moved in from other states. 

You'll probably find a wide diversity of Free Staters' philosophy, and I'm sure there are some who appreciate the police.  You'll also find many who do not (myself among them).  Maybe you can still be friends with them and work on other projects like MJ laws. 

On the other hand, I don't think I could advise someone moving across the country for slightly more freedom when they're not too interested in activism and don't think they'd get along with most of the people who have moved.  I'd advise a visit though.

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I'm curious if anyone here is aware of an electronic dance music scene in NH?
 

Is that like when our caller Bob is sick and we have to plug in a record player for our square dance?

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Re: Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 03:54:58 pm »

Thanks for the replies guys! I should clarify on the activism thing: I would help out on a political campaign if necessary. I would join up with others who are marching for a particular cause. I would like to be around other libertarians in principle, although my exposure to large groups of libertarians in the past has forced me to realize that some of them can be very in-your-face preachy, and/or immature.

I would not do something that could get me arrested just because it would make a point. While I appreciate those who can do so, I've kept a clean record (not even a speeding ticket!) for 25 years and have no desire to start one now. If I think a law is stupid, I prefer to help introduce legislation to change it. I am not so anti-government-system that I think the system can't be changed through democratic processes.

So for an example: I would help, to the best of my limited ability, draft legislation to legalize marijuana possession and encourage state representatives to vote for it. I would not stand on a street corner smoking a joint to prove that this needs to be done.
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Re: Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 04:23:33 pm »

So for an example: I would help, to the best of my limited ability, draft legislation to legalize marijuana possession and encourage state representatives to vote for it. I would not stand on a street corner smoking a joint to prove that this needs to be done.

Check out http://forum.nhliberty.org  .  You'll fit right in.
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Re: Moving from Idaho - Upgrade? [Long]
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 08:02:42 pm »

I currently live in Boise, Idaho and enjoy the cultural atmosphere here. I feel that I'm pretty free, especially looking at the news of what's going on in other states. Our police are friendly, and I've only been pulled over late at night when they screen traffic leaving downtown for drunk drivers, an operation I fully support. Our governor is a Republican with some serious libertarian leanings. He has managed to balance the budget through spending cuts to things like Medicaid and education and has refused to raise taxes, preferring to cut them wherever he can.


Hello and welcome!

ID has one of the least bad Governors in the nation, no doubt about it.  We do have an ok State Sen and State House in NH though, certainly when it comes to fiscal issues.

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I also enjoy reasonable taxes here: such as a 6% sales tax, 7.8% income tax rate, and 1.3% property tax rate. In comparison NH has no sales or income tax, but suffers a 3% (I think, did a ton of googling and can't find a % listed by any *.gov site, it could be over 30% depending on the data from http://www.nh.gov/revenue/munc_prop/municipalservices.htm  ) property tax rate. Correct me if I'm wrong. So while my current tax burden is much less than most states, it would benefit me to move to NH for this reason.

In NH, property taxes are similar to OR.  Though, it does vary pretty widely in some parts of NH.  Around 1% to 4% depending on where in NH you are.  However taxes are much lower in NH than any of the near-by states and near the lowest in the nation as you know.  Also, I'm gonna have to disagree with you.  7.8% is very high for a state income tax.

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I have never really been in the East, let alone North East. I have heard that North-easterners are not fond of outsiders. I've also compared demographics and realized that NH is actually whiter than Idaho...a scary thought as the people here can sometimes be revealed as redneck racist types. I like diversity, and feel like if I'm going to move I should go somewhere that increases that diversity, but at the same time I'd like to live near people with similar beliefs as my own.

NH has more outsiders than just about any state.  The majority of people in NH were not born here.  In some of the towns, 1/3 of the houses are owned by out of state people.  Tourism is a huge industry in NH.  I work at a ski area and on Saturdays the vast majority of the cars in the parking lots are from out of staters that drove 70-100 minutes to ski in NH.  Outsiders are extremely welcome in NH.  Sometimes certain people from MA are made fun of.  We call them massholes.  When it comes to getting a job in New England, though, it really helps to be here in person with a local number and address.

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I'm a civil libertarian and with the exception of voting am not an activist nor plan to be involved with much activism. Once in NH I might go to a march or protest if I have friends that are going. I also don't like proselytizing any of my personal beliefs to others, and will likely not go around trying to convince people of libertarian ideas.

The majority of the liberty activists in NH are not FSPers and hardly do anything civil disobedience related activism.  The liberty community in NH didn't start with the FSP and 1000s of FSPers would need to move to NH to make on the majority of the community.  We could really use someone like you in NH.  The more liberty lawyers the better.  I also think politics may work.  At least 13 FSPers are currently State Reps in NH.

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I currently work as a Psychosocial Rehabilitation counselor, which means my pay comes indirectly from the Idaho Dept. of Health & Welfare / Medicaid. While I do have a B.A. In Psychology, I don't plan on continuing this as a career, so it's fine if there are no PSR/Case Worker type jobs available in NH currently. But I figured I'd mention that I basically work for a government program I don't like, just to see how people here respond.

Views vary widely.  Of course, the vast majority of the NH liberty community won't care/ will understand/ will be happy you work for the government.  Be a sizeable amount, especially within the civdis crowd will not appreciate it if you still work for the government once you move to NH.  I got a government job after moving to NH and only 1 person in the liberty community that wasn't a civdis guy asked me why as though I shouldn't be doing it.

How do I feel?  I think it's excellent that you work for the government.  I see a future with 1000s of liberty people working for the NH government.  The more the better.  I don't care if it is state rep, forest ranger, toll collector, cop or whatever.  The more pro-liberty people working in the government, the better as far as I'm concerned.  It's about harm reduction.

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I know others have asked about jobs and from the sound of it NH won't be too difficult to get a college-job in while going to school. How's rent? In Boise I can count on $500 covering all of my rent/utilities if I find a cheapo place. I currently pay $200/mo in rent + $80 electric, but I'm also living with some close friends who cut me a deal.

People make more in NH and it costs more to live in NH.  Rent is higher in Concord than Manchester or Keene. Plenty of jobs in the Concord/Manchester area.  I live in Keene and pay 325 per month plus part of utilities and I have roommates.  I know of people paying less but the majority of people I know pay more.

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Now the fun stuff: I also work in event production, specifically as a lighting designer. Basically, I help throw raves. And if I move to NH you better believe I'm bringing the party with me. Some quick googling hasn't turned up much of a music scene thus far, so I'm curious if anyone here is aware of an electronic dance music scene in NH? I've seen some craigslist ads for wedding Djs, but I'm talking about Trance/House/PsyTrance/Drum N Bass/etc etc. I'm not a DJ myself, but may have to learn before moving if there aren't many in NH. Yes, I realize NH is tiny and there are plenty of cool states nearby, like a 5 hour trip to New York to go party my raver pants off, but I would enjoy not having to travel far. And is anyone aware of any big events similar to Burning Man in the East?

Raves are more common in MA/RI/Upstate NY and NYC area.  There are also pretty interesting festivals in VT and ME.  NH is the most conservative state in the Northeast.  While it is true that pot use is more common here than pretty much anywhere else in the US, there isn't a large rave culture here and drug use outside of alcohol and pot which are well above the national average is about on par with the rest of the nation.  Come to Porcfest, there was a mini-rave fun thing there last year and music is going to be a much larger focus this year.  Keep in mind Salem, NH is only 30-40 minutes from Boston and some other towns are about the same distance from Boston.  While the music scene in NH isn't much outside of Manchester or Portsmouth, it's big in Boston.





And as a footnote, yes I know about PorcFest, no I'm not sure it's worth the expense, but yes I would probably go to it prior to moving to establish a support-base if I were to move. I may also bring another libertarian friend with me, but he'll have to post his own 'book' here  ;D
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