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preparehandbook

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political terms being thrown around
« on: October 22, 2010, 03:15:36 am »

Besides the fact that NH is 3,000 miles away my families biggest lingering concern is the political terms I see tossed around lightly.

I see many problems being blamed on "communists" when it seems that only the term "socialist" could fit, and that with a lot of stretching.

I also see folks complaining about democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, and affixing all these terms to Free staters (ie "dem FS").

I would think that the FSP would kind of sidestep this whole issue. Small government sounds like small government. Republicans and Democrats as parties seem violently opposed to a a minimalist, constitution based system. And before anybody gets all worked up about it, I am talking in a precise, literal sense. heck, the tea party is the only folks I've heard advocating a "constitutionality test" for laws. (and no, I'm not a tea partier). Maybe others have and my disdain for mainstream media propaganda has caused me to miss it.

The rhetoric being thrown around makes me worry that this is just a "same crap, different package" situation. If people really are committed to the FSP wouldn't they be low key about all the "if it wasn't for the (insert enemy here) we would be living in a utopia"?

-I hope I am mistaken, I hope this is just internet bravado I'm seeing.

Sorry this post sounds negative and harsh. I just couldn't find the right words tonight, I don't mean this nearly as strongly as it sounds.
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2010, 04:05:00 am »

Not sure what you're responding to.

The FSP doesn't complain about any of those things.
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 06:56:10 am »

I think much is 'internet' bravado.


many people are working lowkey to change things.

Some in the DEM party
Some in the LP party
Some in the GOP party
Some as IND
Some in no party
Some in no voting politics at all.

Some are more active than others, some are louder than others some are working lowkey.

all types.
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preparehandbook

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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2010, 02:00:28 pm »

This was what I was hoping to hear

I'd also like to praise the fact that when I added "Sorry this post sounds negative and harsh. I just couldn't find the right words tonight, I don't mean this nearly as strongly as it sounds." It was understood. Sometimes I can't word something the way I want and folks will still take it exactly-literally.

I myself am fairly apolitical. I don't see much difference between the parties in our 2 party system, I do find things I like and things I don't. It's uber-disturbing to me that many of my friends and family are completely intolerant of the opposing sides anything by viryue of it being said by the party they oppose.

Since I've discovered the FSP I've felt a sense of elation and renewal. A kid-at-xmas thrill at finding poeple who are actually working towards real time goals.

I guess I got a little discouraged reading the forums here and seeing the standard dem, rep, con, lib, communist, socialist, fascist etc. etc. terms tossed around, especially when they are used incorrectly. (BTW, I love the term "statist"). I'm glad to hear that this is just folks expressing themselves, which I am very much in support of.
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 04:22:05 pm »

I guess I got a little discouraged reading the forums here and seeing the standard dem, rep, con, lib, communist, socialist, fascist etc. etc. terms tossed around, especially when they are used incorrectly. (BTW, I love the term "statist"). I'm glad to hear that this is just folks expressing themselves, which I am very much in support of.

This forum is just discussion. It reflects nearly exactly zero of what the FSP is "doing"--or what FSP participants are doing. Myself, I'd prefer the forums actually be much smaller, limited to welcoming newcomers, getting them in contact with locals, etc.

When you see such terms "tossed around", the particular meaning usually has something specific to the author. For example, when I say Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, that's easy: someone who is a member of or votes for members of the respective party. Communist, socialist, fascist, libertarian: someone who supports or encourages those social or political doctrines.

Especially with that latter list, these things don't come in an all-or-nothing packages. For example, "socialist" is getting a lot more play in the mainstream news because of various new government policies. I really don't see a problem with calling a cigar a cigar. However, I think it's very tempting to use those descriptive terms as pejoratives and that does nothing to facilitate communication.
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 04:54:28 pm »

Also, how to determine a constitutonal position. History isn't on many individuals sides.
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preparehandbook

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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 06:46:30 pm »

There has seemed to be a rampant rise in mainstream media using/misusing political terms, I also see a lot of the smaller media outlets using terms perjorativel, especially communist, fascist, socialist. The ones I see transposed the most often is where communism is used to describe what would more appropriately termed socialism, and tyranny mislabeled as fascism.

Not that any of this is new. I remeber being kicked out of a third grade classroom for refusing to recant that communism is a system of government... Our "teacher" had asserted that communism was a political belief that was designed to bring about destruction of the world and the death of all humans. (he was serious). I was not pro nor anti communist, I just thought his position was ridiculous.

But I ramble...

I guess when I first encountered this forum I thought it was a much narrower focus, FAQ, moving rescources, etc. I understand now that it is broader.
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 07:52:24 pm »

Also, how to determine a constitutonal position. History isn't on many individuals sides.

That one is a bit more tricky since history has flip-flopped quite a bit...
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 07:53:42 pm »

I guess when I first encountered this forum I thought it was a much narrower focus, FAQ, moving rescources, etc. I understand now that it is broader.

Do you think it would be more helpful if the scope were narrower?
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 12:25:50 am »

Yes and no, I could have stayed in the "prospective participants" section, but I strayed.

The whole concept is a lot to take in. I wanted to drift around a little and kind of get a feel for the FSP in general. It was also a bit confusing because some of the posts are from before "the vote". I had a difficult time figuring out what the timeline is/has been. I hate to get on someone elses forum and complain, but you asked *sheepish look*

In some ways a forum or section that purely focused on the process of moving to NH, housing, jobs, FAQ, NH geography, home prices, rental prices etc, would be easier for us noobs.

There's probably no way to discuss the nitty gritty of a free state without a lot of conflicting views being addressed, but it can be a bit overwhelming to a noob like myself.

I can't thank FSP enough for all of this, the project, the forums, the meetings, everything.
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Re: political terms being thrown around
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 11:02:52 am »

Only a very small percentage of our membership posts here.  And, the vast majority of what goes on in NH is never mentioned.  The website could be a better tool to inform and recruit.  But, then the cats would have to be herded.  Hang in there preparehandbook.  Hope to see you soon in NH.
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