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Re:How Will I Benefit From Moving?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2003, 11:35:16 pm »

Maybe I actually do care enough from an ideological stand point.  I often don't care all that much about the specific laws taken one at a time, but when I step back and take a look at it all at once, I have a hard time calming down...
...And who knows, maybe before then I'll get the courage to fight a little harder for something I really do believe in.  Or maybe something will happen to me to shake me up.

And the best way to help, with the smallest amount of effort, is to simply talk about it.  I believe most people are like yourself, they dislike the current state of affairs, but become desensitized to it.  Speak with your co-workers, relatives, friends; talk about the latest nanny-law, anything that will help to wake up your fellow citizens.  

You don't have to move to a new state to be an activist.  The simple discussion of current events, framed within the proper context, may cause someone else to come to the realizations that you are coming to.  An aware and thinking populace is the best defender of liberty.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot

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Re:How Will I Benefit From Moving?
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2003, 02:25:29 pm »

What a good thread!
Indeed, why to move? I myself come to America, looking for more freedom. Coincidentally this was also the place to make more money.
Let me explain some: I was born and I grew in Poland, under communist regime (it was called advanced socialism). Over the years thanks to my education and willingness to work hard, plus lack of such of others who were well standing members of The Polish Labor Party (it was communist party) I managed to move up the lather and eventually I was manager of big maintenance department in one of big companies.
I was making not too bad living comparing to other people.
In meanwhile there were stories talked about people who run from Poland. The stories about this people slipping under the bridges in England. Stories about jobs as newspaper delivery boys.
From these stories I learned, I could live there out west. First it is possible to slip under the bridge (in Poland would be too cold). Second; there is a lot of jobs – just anyone can get the paper delivery position. Else I have red the stories about some people making living by selling blood.
I decided to drop everything and escape from Poland in 1883.
First I come to refugee camp in Austria and I discovered that in the area of chronic unemployment I could work and make a lot of money. The individual freedom in  Austria was shocking. But I had to declare where I was emigrating. Due to some regulations and the process I could not stay in Austria forever. More by coincidence than conscious choice of my own (did not know much about any western world and even less about oversees) I come to Huntsville Alabama.
This WAS FREEDOM! Austria looked like backward country from Alabama perspective.
Than I moved to Connecticut – bad move. It was step back, however I could make much more money. Since I come to Connecticut I always was looking for the chance to make the same money and live somewhere else and I still am. It was hard to find the place where I could make the same money until now when collectivist’s regulations practically shut down manufacturing in this state. Now there is no problem to make same standard of living anywhere.
I regretted moving from Alabama and living in Connecticut for all the years. And yet young children, cost of living etc, I sacrificed my love for freedom for the time being. I was wrong. Today I see I could organize my living everywhere in USA.
In my opinion freedom is more important than money.
Now let us see if there is actually the real choice?
I think there is not. Not on the long run. Connecticut was perhaps in the first place comparing the statistics of wealth in states of USA. But also Connecticut become also the one of the most socialistic states, following California and Massachusetts. Socialism is causing the business “go south”. I witnessed many businesses closing their doors. It happens immediately (within just few years). What I sensed right after coming to CT (much more collectivism) the business sensed to.
If FSP will choose any state, that state will become magnet for business (just the opposite reaction as increasing collectivism). Prices of properties will go up and that state will become the first wealthiest state in the USA. I think it will happen in just about ten years.
As of now let us think why to move to free state? The answer is: For money. For investments and for everything else deriving from freedom.
Besides the wealth there is also another important aspect of the place we live in. It is happiness. Someone wrote about living in Montana and unwillingness to cross the state boarder. To depressing the person wrote. I know it is. I learned this feeling when I visited my relatives in Canada or in Europe. Coming back to USA is the happiest moment during vacation abroad, and I also do not want to cross American boarder to often. When I will move to the free state, probably I will never go outside that state (except for short business trips).
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forgive you


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Re:How Will I Benefit From Moving?
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2003, 07:38:09 pm »

"Freedom's just another word
for 'nothing left to lose'
and you got nothin'...
you ain't nothin'
if you ain't free"

Bobby McGee Kris Kristoferson

(spelling isn't my thing  ::))
"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
  Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free..."  
lyrics as recorded by Janis Joplin on the 1971 Pearl
- words and music by Kris Kristofferson


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Re:How Will I Benefit From Moving?
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2003, 07:04:23 pm »

I don't blame you for asking that.
For me, I have nothing to hold me back.
At least not right now.
I am single and responsible for only myself.
I have long envisioned a place where freedom loving people are a majority, specifically gunowners.
Gunowners are always a vulnerable target because we are a minority.
I just want to keep my AK, but to many I am an extremist, eventhough I am a totally peaceful person.
That was the thing that made me realize what the situation is really like, and what it may become.
I have since come to realize that there is now essentially a ruling class in this country that instructs me how to live.
That bothers me. It is an insult to me to assume that I am not responsible enough to live my own life for myself. I am an Army veteran, but when I got home, I couldn't be trusted with a handgun or to have a beer. That mentality bothers me.
I am living under laws that I never agreed to live under. Most Americans didn't agree to live under these edicts, but here we all sit.
So I came to the conclusion that the only way to be free is for freedom loving people to be the majority. The FSP is a chance for that to happen.
I am sure that there are many who feel slightly oppressed by something, but like you, not enough to actually take action.
I am willing to take action because I don't have as much to risk.
The FSP existed in my mind long before I found out that someone else had thought of it.
For me, it is a chance to show people that they don't have to fear liberty.
The only thing that keeps me from signing on the line is the possibility that I won't be able to keep my word.
I have only a little honor left, but I don't make a promise unless I am certain that I can and will keep it.
I am behind this all the way, but I have to get my own affairs in order before I try taking a bite out of this one.
This is too big to risk screwing it up.


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Re:How Will I Benefit From Moving?
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2003, 10:33:26 am »

I have to echo phylinidaho and JJ Johnson from the GWC on this one.  I am doing this for my future children.  I am getting close to having children and in my area I have three choices (not enough) on education.  Catholic, government schools, or homeschool.  None of which work for me.
I envision one teacher teaching out of their house with ten or so other students. Truly teaching the children to think critically would be on of my criteria for a school.
Also, I can't imagine my child asking me why the country is so ****ed up, and me answering, "because your parents didn't do anything."
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