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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2003, 07:08:45 am »

Not including the titles or footnotes, I count 494 words for North Dakota and 506 words for New Hampshire.

Tsk, tsk, NH.  ;D

Must be a difference in software, as I get exactly 500.  Please advise if I am to cut six words by 11:30 pm.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2003, 07:36:57 am »

Keith,

are you counting the title? I did, as well as counting it for all the other candidates
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2003, 08:48:10 am »

Keith,

are you counting the title? I did, as well as counting it for all the other candidates

I count 506 words in the NH report without counting the title.  I do not think you should count the titles, anyway.

Ok, I got 500 using my spell checker, not including title and word count note.  ZuG got 506, counting title.  Keith got 506, not counting the title.  

I'll go ahead and delete six words.  Ok by everybody?
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2003, 09:20:09 am »

Ok, I got 500 using my spell checker, not including title and word count note.  ZuG got 506, counting title.  Keith got 506, not counting the title.  

I'll go ahead and delete six words.  Ok by everybody?

Everyone:  Thanks for resolving this amicably.

A ruling:  The main title doesn't count in the word count.  Subsection headings do count.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2003, 09:42:00 am »

One last appeal to Azurecanine (SD) and Gary (DE) to edit their opening statements down to 500 words by 11:30 PM EDT tonight.  

Joe (ME), Karl (ND), and Keith (NH) have worked within the original limits, and it would be great if everyone would.

I count the following, not including references or titles:

SD: 604 words
DE: 667 words

Would anyone else care to verify the word counts?  
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2003, 09:54:40 am »

ZuG:  Thanks for opening a thread to house just the 30 final statements without the extraneous comments (The Great State Debate Debates).  Can you generate a single .pdf file with all 30 statements when the debate is over?  It could then be posted to the State Reports page on the main website.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2003, 10:45:17 am »

One last appeal to Azurecanine (SD) and Gary (DE) to edit their opening statements down to 500 words by 11:30 PM EDT tonight.  

I count the following, not including references or titles:

SD: 604 words
DE: 667 words

I have prepared edited 500-word versions of the SD and DE opening statements.  I did not add any new arguments, and tried not to weaken the original arguments.

If no one objects in the next two hours, I will post them here at 2 PM EDT.  If Azurecanine or Gary Snyder wishes to edit their opening statements differently, they can do so by 11:30 PM EDT today, and I will then delete my versions.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2003, 10:58:24 am »

One last appeal to Azurecanine (SD) and Gary (DE) to edit their opening statements down to 500 words by 11:30 PM EDT tonight.  

I count the following, not including references or titles:

SD: 604 words
DE: 667 words

I have prepared edited 500-word versions of the SD and DE opening statements.  I did not add any new arguments, and tried not to weaken the original arguments.

If no one objects in the next two hours, I will post them here at 2 PM EDT.  If Azurecanine or Gary Snyder wishes to edit their opening statements differently, they can do so by 11:30 PM EDT today, and I will then delete my versions.

You have repeatedly said that it does not matter if people go a few words over in the opening statement as long as the closer is a very words too short.  Is that not true anymore?  Are you changing the rules right in the middle of the day that the statements are due?  Is this the least bit fair?  Please, calm down and quit changing the rules.  Everything is fine.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2003, 12:18:39 pm »

You have repeatedly said that it does not matter if people go a few words over in the opening statement as long as the closer is a very words too short.  Is that not true anymore?  Are you changing the rules right in the middle of the day that the statements are due?  Is this the least bit fair?  Please, calm down and quit changing the rules.  Everything is fine.

A few words over does not concern me, although 100 or 150 is a bit much.  I proposed an edited statement (by me) as an alternative remedy to a penalty on the closing statement length.  Since someone has objected, I will not put my versions up.

And no, I haven't changed the rules -- 500 words has been the limit from day one.  The first two posts exceeded the limit, and I have repeatedly asked them to edit them down to 500 words, or face a penalty on the closing statement length.  I would hope that none of the remaining competitors are also planning to exceed the limit.  (If they do, the same penalty will apply.)
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2003, 12:45:51 pm »

Finding Freedom Under the Big Sky
by Quincy Daniel OrHai, Bozeman Montana, July 4, 2003

I’m not in the habit of inviting people I don’t know to move to Montana. I believe most of you reading this essay are interested in having more freedom and liberty in your life. Perhaps you’ll even relocate for political purposes. Maybe you’ve some ideas about increasing liberty by lightening the yoke of government, etc.

That’s fine, but it’s not enough of a reason to choose Montana as the Freestate. I say: Ask not what will you do to Montana, but what will Montana do to you?

With or without the Freestate Project, Montana will continue to capture the very best of America’s liberty-loving people. Our cities and rural countryside have room for personal freedom to flourish. We welcome those who want to relocate in our land simply because they can live under our vast arch of blue sky. Montana’s Big Sky stretches well over 600 miles, from the rolling prairies of Medicine Rocks and Little Beaver Creek, south of the Missouri Breaks, to the northwest’s lush silent dripping cedar forests and the peach orchards of the Kootenai. This is a huge land, a land that is guaranteed to break your heart, to melt down what you think you know about yourself and recast your spirit into something bigger than words can say.

To be a Montanan isn’t as easy as just showing up here and getting a drivers license. To be a Montanan means to be accepted by other Montanans. That endorsement ain’t gonna come easy. To be a Montanan is an honor. For most Montanans, the Code of the West is still alive: Honesty, courage, loyalty, generosity, and fairness. We’re an eccentric collection of humanity here. Old-time cowboys, hard rock miners and high country loggers coexist (mostly) peacefully alongside pink punk hairdos, yuppie pot heads and internet home business entrepreneurs. What the Old West and the New West have in common are a deep belief in independence and self reliance (+85% gun ownership), rugged individualism, hospitality and western style ambiance. A deeper resonance (although also divisive) is our love of the land.

We’ve 147,046 square miles (16 times the size of our little sister New Hampshire) of beautiful mountains and open space, and only 902,195 liberty loving citizens. We’re self-sufficient in natural resources, although you won’t many find oranges growing here. Our existing state laws already have great respect for freedom, liberty and privacy. Of course we can improve! Let’s roll back property and income taxes, instigate common grand juries, put some teeth back into the recall laws, elect a Supreme Court more respectful of Montanans right to change our constitution, and fully inform our juries.

There’s a reason we call Montana ‘The Last Best Place’. It isn’t crowded here, and we don’t want it to get that way.So don’t plan on moving here unless you can respect us for what we are, and are as willing to be changed, inside out, as you’re keen to change our great state.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2003, 03:00:07 pm »

Vermont
By Keith Carlsen from Memphis, TN

The Green Mountain State is Calling

Vermont is a wonderful state like one of the largest lakes in America (Lake Champlain), the prettiest city in the Northeast (Burlington), and historic mountains.  Vermont has the best hunting laws (along with Wyoming) and a large outdoors culture.  Vermont is a huge tourist destination from April to November.  Why do all of these tourists flock to Vermont?  They flock to Vermont because it is a beautiful state with plenty to do and friendly people.  Do you want to sail from Lake Champlain to Mexico?  Vermont offers this option.  Where are America’s favorite ice cream and the best maple syrup in the world from?  Vermont is the answer to all of these questions and much, much more.

While those are all great subjective reasons to choose Vermont, they are nothing compared to the objective reasons:
•   Smallest cities
•   Very low crime
•   An Independent Senator and US Representative
•   Very Strong third party movement
•   Slow growth rate
•   Compared to the rest of the Northeast, very low cost of living
•   The libertarian Ethan Allen Institute
•   The best border trading partner (Montréal)
•   No federal dependence

Three very important factors pretty much assure that Vermont will be the best New England state for winning election:
1. Second smallest districts (only to Wyoming)
2. Second lowest campaign costs (only to North Dakota)
3. Second smallest population (only to Wyoming)

Take a look at the spreadsheet. (http://www.freestateproject.org/files/statecomparisons.xls)
It ranks Vermont about it the middle.  However, if you take out either the federal dependence factor or the jobs factor, Vermont moves above such states as New Hampshire.  

The only state in a better position to win elections is Wyoming.  However, Vermont has several powerful advantages that Wyoming is missing:
•   Smallest state house districts
•   Vermont Carry Gun law
•   Extremely independent population (even conservatives will vote for socialists as long as they claim to be independent)
•   Northeast location
•   Best chance for Left-Libertarian strategy

Why a Left-Libertarian strategy?
•   Vermont has some public nudity
•   Vermont has same-sex civil unions
•   Vermont has small districts that cost almost nothing to win
•   Vermont has real fusion for candidates
•   A Left third party controls Burlington, we can help keep them in power if they help us
•   Even conservatives vote for socialists
•   Strong geo-libertarian power
•   Vermont supported Ross Perot
•   Vermont has a strong libertarian tradition
•   Vermont is the only state that does not mandate public (government) schools in its Constitution
•   Vermont allows the selling of organic foods and raw milk
•   Libertarians have a proven history of getting elected

In many of the factors Vermont ranks in the middle.  However, in most the very important (make or break) factors Vermont is near the top.  While Vermont does suffer from New England winters, it offers a great deal of things to a great variety of members.  In conclusion, if you rate other small population or New England states highly, than Vermont deserves to be near the top of your list.

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Sources:
http://www.freestateproject.org/state.htm
http://www.freestateproject.org/vermont.htm
http://www.freestateproject.org/vermont2.htm
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=2271
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=774
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=779
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2003, 03:30:09 pm »

"Vermont supported Ross Perot"?  Not nearly as much as Maine!
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Wyoming: The Best Opportunity for FSP Success
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2003, 03:59:01 pm »

Wyoming: the Best Opportunity for FSP Success[/color]

 
Access to the Political System:[/color]

 
1. Smallest voting-age population - Maximizes FSP activist impact
2. Concentrated population - will not scatter FSP activists over many separate districts
3. True citizen legislature based on small districts - smallest statewide districts,
second smallest Senate districts, and on average, the second smallest House districts,
57 seats needed to control the legislature
4. Best state for voter response to small government agendas (high votes for libertarian candidates)
5. Third least expensive elections
6. Initiative, referendum, and term limits
7. Second highest percentage of citizens born out-of-state


Libertarian Indicators:[/color]

1. State LP has Major Party Status
2. No personal or business income tax
3. Lowest property taxes
4. Best for lack of planning and zoning
5. Second lowest percentage and lowest number of welfare recipients
6. Lowest federal dependence in the West
7. Best hunting laws, highest gun ownership, legal open carry of firearms
8. Third best homeschooling laws
9. Only FSP state without hate crimes laws
10. Helmets not required for adult motorcycle operators
11. WY GOP platform supports euthanasia, pro-choice,
reclaiming all federal lands, and looser adoption restrictions
12. Open containers permitted for auto passengers
13. Wyoming's Congressional Representation (GOP) voting record has been rated as follows:

Republican Liberty Caucus: "libertarian" (both social and fiscal issues)
American Federation of Government Employees: Worst state
National Education Association: Worst
Americans for the Arts: Worst
Gun Owners of America: Best
National Taxpayers Union: Best
VoteHemp.com: Best
Citizens Against Government Waste: second best

14. American Lung Association ranks Wyoming smoking laws: Worst in the nation
15. Anti-Gun Brady Campaign ranks Wyoming: Worst in the nation
16. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal federal circuit court
17. High speed limits (75mph)
18. Highly individualistic society
19. Very friendly and volunteering citizens
20. Liberty and FSP-friendly statewide newspaper
21. Liberty-friendly neighboring states

Opposition Groups:[/color]

1. Fewest unionized teachers
2. Second lowest number of unionized workers
3. Third lowest number of government employees
4. Best religious diversity
5. Lowest voting percentage for Ralph Nader in the nation
6. Big government groups hate Wyoming - see how they rank it in the above section

Jobs and Living:[/color]

1. Casper/Cheyenne 1st and 2nd for "cost of doing business,"
two of the top 12 small US cities for "business and careers"
2. "America's Wealth-Friendliest State"
3. "America's Best Tax Climate for Businesses"
4. Third most "small business friendly" state, nationwide
5. Second for renting costs, "economic freedom," and "general livability."
6. Low housing, land prices, and cost of living
7. Closer to large urban areas than any other Western state

Some states may rank higher on various individual measurements, but when you compare the broad scope of current liberties and opportunities that Wyoming presents, no other state even comes close.  Nowhere else will each of our activists count for so much by themselves, and nowhere else is the state legislature small enough, and the population individualistic and libertarian enough, for us to realistically achieve the majorities that will make liberty in our lifetime possible.  

Wyoming is the best opportunity for FSP success and the future of liberty in this country.[/color]
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2003, 04:22:59 pm »

"Vermont supported Ross Perot"?  Not nearly as much as Maine!

Reminder:  This thread is reserved for "The Great State Debate."  Ideas for rebuttals should go to the volunteer for your favorite state.

Who is this "JasonPSorens"?  Can he be banned? ;)
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« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2003, 06:53:28 pm »

ZuG:  Thanks for opening a thread to house just the 30 final statements without the extraneous comments (The Great State Debate Debates).  Can you generate a single .pdf file with all 30 statements when the debate is over?  It could then be posted to the State Reports page on the main website.

I cannot personally generate a .pdf (don't have the software) but I will find someone who can. I also planned on asking Jason to make the thread sticky ocne the debate is over.
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