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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2003, 02:59:25 pm »

Thanks to Gary (Delaware) and Joe (Maine), the debate field is up to six states.

Who wants to represent these fine states?

Alaska?

Montana?

North Dakota?

South Dakota?
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2003, 10:29:30 am »

Well, it looks as if I must volunteer as no one else is even thinking of signing up for this job.  South Dakota is my state in which I own a business, do business, and enjoy the climate.  I love living here and if that qualifies me, then here I am.

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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2003, 11:04:12 am »

Well, it looks as if I must volunteer as no one else is even thinking of signing up for this job.  South Dakota is my state in which I own a business, do business, and enjoy the climate.  I love living here and if that qualifies me, then here I am.

Azurecanine:  Welcome to the debate, and thanks for signing up.

That leaves only North Dakota, Alaska, and Montana unrepresented.

Any volunteers?
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2003, 01:04:48 pm »

Greetings from the Land of the Free... Montana.

I have agreed to submit a 500 word report on Montana by July 8. We have 147,046 square miles (16 times the size of our little sister New Hampshire) of beautiful mountains and open space, and only 902,195 libety loving citizens. We are completely self-suficient in natural resources, and have a population that values independence and self-reliance. Regarding the settlement of the west, the oldtimers say: "The cowards never started and the weak died on the way."

We are the home of as ecelectic a lot as Charlie Russell, Sitting Bull, Gary Cooper, Jeannette Rankin, Jack (dinosaurs) Horner, Evel Knievel, Jeff Ament of Pearl Jam and the Vigilance Committees (they hung the Sheriff!). If experiencing personal liberty and freedom from excessive government in our lifetime are the goals, then moving to Montana is the answer.

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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2003, 01:08:28 pm »

Good to see you here, Quincy. ;)
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2003, 02:51:24 pm »

Greetings from the Land of the Free... Montana.

I have agreed to submit a 500 word report on Montana by July 8.

Quincy:  Welcome aboard, and thanks for signing up to represent Montana.

That leaves only two states unrepresented, Alaska and North Dakota.  Any volunteers?

Your debate responsibilities will consist of:

1. Posting a 500 word opening statement by July 8th.

2. Reading the opening statements and posting a 500-word rebuttal by July 11th.

3. Reading the rebuttals and posting a 500-word closing by July 14th.

Rules are on the first post of this thread.  You may collaborate with other state supporters by email prior to posting the official statements.  A team of two or three may also sign up for each state, and split up the three statements between them.

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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2003, 03:00:43 pm »

craft_6,

I'd be happy to make the case for North Dakota.  That should be fun!  ;D
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2003, 09:17:04 pm »

I'd be happy to make the case for North Dakota.  That should be fun!

Karl:  Thanks for signing up, and good luck with North Dakota!  (Some might say you'll need it, but I think it has a lot going for it.)

Well, that leaves only Alaska out in the cold....  Any volunteers?
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2003, 12:42:02 pm »


I'll volunteer myself and my wife to write in support of AK.... She grew up in Kenai, and has dragged me up there from Oregon on occasion.

I'd better support it .... it's the only state she'll move to without being dragged.

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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2003, 01:48:24 pm »

I'll volunteer myself and my wife to write in support of AK.... She grew up in Kenai, and has dragged me up there from Oregon on occasion.

Kristopher:  Thanks for taking Alaska, and welcome to the debate!

We now have all ten states represented.  Opening statements are due by July 8th, but can be posted sooner, if ready.  (Of course, that gives the other states longer to think about their rebuttals....) Please review the first post of this thread for rules, and the fifth post for clarifications.

State representatives are listed below.  Contact them directly if you would like to help with their preparations.  Up to three people can represent each state (but each state gets only one opening, rebuttal, and closing.)

Alaska:  kbarrett
Delaware:  Gary Snyder
Idaho:  exitus...
Maine:  Joe (sequel to Solitar)
Montana:  Quincy
New Hampshire:  Keith Murphy
North Dakota:  Karl
South Dakota:  Azurecanine
Wyoming:  RobertH and stpeter
Vermont:  FreedomRoad

Please keep non-debate comments off this thread.  I will bump it back up with reminders before each statement is due.  

When the debate is over, the first volunteer for each state will vote to determine the debate winner, based on who presented their state's case most persuasively, not on which state you would choose.  You cannot vote for yourself.

When the debate is finished, hopefully the openings, rebuttals, and closings can be copied out, consolidated, and posted to the Articles or State Reports pages.

   
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2003, 08:50:41 pm »

Well, folks.

I'll volunteer to advocate for the 49th State of Alaska

I guess we'll see if I learned anything in English class in Kenai AK a few years back!

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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2003, 09:15:44 pm »

Joe,

I can edit your maine response if you like. PM/email me.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2003, 10:15:19 pm »

Alaska:  kbarrett, JillPruett
Delaware:  Gary Snyder
Idaho:  exitus...
Maine:  Joe (sequel to Solitar), ZuG
Montana:  Quincy
New Hampshire:  Keith Murphy
North Dakota:  Karl
South Dakota:  Azurecanine
Wyoming:  RobertH and stpeter
Vermont:  FreedomRoad

For those of you who volunteered and are still a thousand posts or so behind RobertH, be sure to review the State Data page, the State Reports, and the numerous other threads in the "Which State?" topic area on this board, if you haven't done so already.  They will give you an idea of what arguments have been presented so far, and which ones have held up well to scrutiny.  

Welcome to the forum, and good luck in the debate!

State Data page:

http://www.freestateproject.org/state.htm  

State Reports:

http://www.freestateproject.org/statereports.htm
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2003, 08:11:51 am »

Let's consider what South Dakota has to offer in
relation to the other states and what makes it the
best candidate for success in this "free state race."
    South Dakota has taken it upon itself to prove
that states don't need income tax from the people.  It
is interesting because there are VERY few states that
believe this.  This is not to say that SD doesn't have
taxes.  When considering the sales tax of the states,
SD only has a 4% tax on all items. This percentage is
relatively low when considering other states.
    Cost of living is another factor.  South Dakota is
among the bottom percentage of cost of living.  This
lower cost of living coupled with a growing economy
only spells success for the state in more ways than
one.  Sioux Falls is home to many large corporation
businesses because there is no corporate tax in this
state.  It is interesting to note that more and more
companies are moving here from other states to take
advantage of this tax break.  With an increase in big
business, little businesses can only benefit.
Construction of new homes and new factories is driving
the premium cost of land in Sioux Falls up very
quickly.  Even though Sioux Falls is a city of about
100,000, it has been noted that it is one of the top
three cities of that size that are showing a high rate
of growth while keeping unemployment at an all time
low of only 2.9%.  Rural living is a majority in South
Dakota but Sioux Falls, Rapid City, and Aberdeen are
all relatively large towns that offer the many things
that individuals enjoy about big cities.  
    The right to keep and bear arms is a big issue for
a many involved in this project.  Even though Alaska
ranks as number one for their gun laws, South Dakota
hasn't ever had a law that made carrying a pistol a
financial burden.  It is VERY economical and
convenient to apply and receive a concealed carry
permit in South Dakota.  If it were any more
economical, it would be a mimic of Alaska and be no
cost at all.  It is important to note that South
Dakota believes that the owner of a firearm is
responsible for that firearm and NOT the manufacturers
or sellers of such items.  
    This porridge is not too hot nor too cold, but
just right.  Because of this middle of the road
outlook and position, South Dakota is best placed at
the top of the FSP list simply because once South
Dakota is picked and changes for the betterment of the
living conditions and political outlook is made, North
Dakota won't be far behind in making the same changes.
 This factor is very important in the choice of which
state should be THE Free State.  Within months, North
Dakota would join the trend of South Dakota's success
as it has done so many times before.  Not too cold,
not too hot, but just right.
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Re:The Great State Debate
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2003, 01:18:00 pm »

...and the opening volley comes from South Dakota.

Volunteers:  Opening statements are due by July 8th.

Everyone else:  Please do not respond to postings on this thread.  Rebuttals will be posted by July 11th, and closing statements by July 14th.

Feel free to contact the posters individually with ideas for rebuttals and closing statements.
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