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John Edward Mercier

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Re: Arguing with liberals
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2010, 04:15:02 pm »

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Personally I consider all socialist values to be entirely incompatible with liberty and if any liberty orientated organisations decided to start espousing them for whatever reason I would want nothing to do with them.

Well it depends on what you mean by "socialism" doesn't it?

There is state socialism and there is state capitalism.

There is also socialism where labor individually owns their own means of production, gets their full and just reward, but isn't collectivist in nature (mutualism).

There is also the more or less "freed" markets of private individuals voluntarily trading goods and services.

Mutualism falls broadly under left-libertarianism.
I would place mutualism as central, not so much right or left... just simply a condition of free markets.
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Re: Arguing with liberals
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2010, 12:47:34 am »

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Personally I consider all socialist values to be entirely incompatible with liberty and if any liberty orientated organisations decided to start espousing them for whatever reason I would want nothing to do with them.

Well it depends on what you mean by "socialism" doesn't it?

There is state socialism and there is state capitalism.

There is also socialism where labor individually owns their own means of production, gets their full and just reward, but isn't collectivist in nature (mutualism).

There is also the more or less "freed" markets of private individuals voluntarily trading goods and services.

Mutualism falls broadly under left-libertarianism.


What a bunch of baloney.


















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John Edward Mercier

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Re: Arguing with liberals
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2010, 01:56:18 am »

Independent Contractors do this all the time.
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WendellBerry

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Re: Arguing with liberals
« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2010, 07:14:16 am »

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Now - I await response from the President of the LP with regard to this faction. If she is proud (or actually aware) of "left-libertarianism" then she will state as much.

http://www.reformthelp.org/reformthelp/index.php

There are people within this movement who are self-described "left-libertarians"

Here is another...

http://knowinghumans.net/2007/12/varieties-of-principled-libertarianism.html

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