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End Run Around Govt Corruption: Citizens Deliberative Councils
« on: February 05, 2010, 01:11:17 pm »

Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government

* Here is a plan for achieving independence from corrupt government and replacing it with just government. Let me know of any suggestions to improve this document.

Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Governments and Cooperation Among Just Governments

All people have the right to be free. Since national and state governments have become largely corrupted by big money interests, so that most governments represent mainly those interests and not the interests of the common people, it is our right to form new government that represents us all. This fact is acknowledged in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which is legally part of our Constitution and together are the supreme law of the land.

We, the free people of the civilized world, therefore, desire a peaceful revolution and we declare ourselves free from and independent of all corrupt governments. To this end, we call on all patriotic public officials to assist the people in organizing a new government from scratch that can develop in the midst of decaying corrupt government. We call on all U.S. public officials to keep their oaths of office by obeying the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, rather than obeying any unconstitutional orders from corrupt officials, as is in agreement with the purpose of http://Oathkeepers.org. We call on all uncorrupted, patriotic government officials and employees to join us in freeing ourselves from increasingly unbridled corruption, especially in the Federal and State Governments of the United States, the European Union, India, China, Pakistan etc.

We call on all free people of America and the civilized world to self-declare and self-organize as free representative bodies.

As proclaimed in the original Declaration of Independence, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce the people under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such corrupt government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such is now the necessity which constrains us to alter our former systems of government. The recent history of the present Federal Government of the United States and most or all of the State Governments is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over the common people. To prove this, let facts of such abuses be submitted to a candid world.
[See next post.]

[Addendum
- We call on all free people of America and the civilized world to self-declare and self-organize as free representative bodies. Any local body of up to 100 local free adults could self-organize as a free ward, up to 100 adjacent free wards can self-organize as free counties, and up to 100 adjacent free counties can self-organize as a free state. Perhaps up to 100 adjacent free states could also self-organize as a free nation. Each free ward, free county and free state would be independent and make its own laws. No free government would have authority over any other people, except to humanely rescue anyone there who wants to leave, or to humanely defend against invasion by corrupt government.
- It is suggested that any free adult may serve as representative for other free people in the local free ward, free county, or free state. Each representative would represent whoever authorizes him or her by written agreement and the representative at assemblies would have the number of votes equal to the number of people represented. Representatives could be required to ask their voters what are their main issues of concern and to state those issues at assemblies. The assembly could list all issues and address them in descending order of number of votes per issue. For each issue all known major opposing concerns could also be stated, then a decision could be made that seeks to reasonably satisfy all concerns about the issue.
- Majorities of free adults on city and county boards and eventually state legislatures could recognize or imitate the new free government bodies, which could then reform existing government.]
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Re: New Declaration of Independence
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 01:11:47 pm »

[continued]

Bailouts

Our Congressional and Presidential candidates have long been bought off by big money interests and, when they have entered into office, they have made it their business to make laws that benefit their major campaign contributors at the expense of the common people, no matter how many of the people oppose such laws. The recent bailouts and wars are prime examples. We no longer have representation in the Federal and most State Governments. Only the big money interests have representation.

Vote Fraud

Congress has failed to safeguard our votes and has permitted voting booths to be equipped with voting machines or computer systems that can be rigged, so as to show majority votes for any candidates that the equipment controllers prefer. In the 2004 election, widespread vote fraud in Ohio and Florida were basically ignored by all relevant governmental bodies. And all voting machines and computer systems are known to be prone to fraud.

Forced Taxation

The Federal Government has enacted or enforced unconstitutional laws of taxation on the people without our consent. The people have been burdened with ever increasing taxes, which are theft of people's hard-earned wages. Only voluntary taxes are moral and constitutional. The IRS has been an unconstitutional organization terrorizing the people and robbing them of a large part of their annual salaries.

Fascism

The Federal Government has given big money interests control of the bureaucracy, so that these agencies enforce regulations that benefit these money interests, instead of the people. The FDA, EPA, USDA, OSHA etc benefit mainly the drug industry, giant food companies, agribiz etc, while small businesses and farms are unfairly regulated and penalized. The FTA, SEC, FDIC, FHA, FMAC, FMAE etc benefit large banks, financial institutions and investment firms, but penalize small investors and savers. Recent laws seem to unjustly authorize DHA, DoD, FEMA etc to prepare to put large numbers of the people into concentration camps.

Monopoly in Courts

The Government has permitted the American Bar Association, a private organization, to become a monopoly in our court systems. And this monopoly has promoted laws and rulings that grant their members riches at the expense of the general public. Their unfairly acquired riches have allowed their members, called attorneys, to gain a great majority control of Congress and most of the Federal Government, as well as State Governments. The courts unjustly use language that the common people don't understand. They terrorize the common people with threats of huge fines, imprisonment, confiscation of property and children etc, making us waste time and burdening us with huge legal expenses. They interfere with our right to travel and all of our other rights.

Destroying the Bill of Rights

Congress denies our civil rights to fair trials and due process of law under the guise of a Patriot Act. It unjustly forces us to have our children vaccinated and denies our right to sue vaccine makers for harming or killing our children. It pretends to make public servants immune from prosecution for malfeasance and incompetence.

Monopoly in Business & News Media

The Government has permitted increasingly monopolistic control of all big business. The same monopolies that control the government also control the news media. These media divide the people into different camps that oppose and fear each other, so that the monopolists may retain absolute control.

Greed

The Government has permitted large corporations to pursue policies that emphasize acquiring monetary gains, instead of policies of producing goods and services that benefit the public. This has led to a great decline in productive capacity in the U.S. and to a lower and declining standard of living that threatens to make us soon a third-world nation.

Scientific Fraud

The Government and big money interests have funded and promoted unsound scientific studies that adopt foregone conclusions. A major example is studies to prove global warming. Apparently the purpose is to reduce global industrial production in order to maintain absolute control and reduce human population. Otherwise, nuclear energy would be promoted.

Rogue Agencies

The Government has permitted covert operations to syphon billions of dollars per year off the economy from taxes budgeted to Government agencies. These operations give no accountability and amount to a rogue government within the government, capable of doing anything it wishes, including terrorism. The House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded in 1979 that the CIA was primarily responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963. The Frank Church Senate Committee concluded in 1975 that FBI and CIA covert operations were involved in large-scale mind-control experiments on unwilling citizens and in suppression of free speech and free assembly by many peaceful political groups.

False Propaganda

The Government allows the CIA and other intelligence agencies to plant false information and propaganda in the major news media.

Corruption

The Government refuses to investigate citizens' concerns about government corruption, including covert operations, illegal biological weapons, assassinations reported as accidents, the 9/11 conspiracies, HAARP dangers, chemtrails, stealth technology and nanotechnology dangers, food, drug and water contamination etc.

Undermining Self-Defense

The Government seeks to disarm the public so that we are defenseless against common criminals, as well as criminally corrupt officials.
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Re: Declare Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 09:16:34 pm »

Having it make a little sense would help.

One minute you call for a new government... the next for obeying the US Constitution. Also I can't think of a public official that took an oath to obey/uphold the Declaration of Independence.

It needs a complete rewrite... as much of it contradicts itself, or makes claims that are not accurate.
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Re: Declare Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 08:05:54 pm »

That's the best reply so far, but do you have time to elaborate a bit more?
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Re: Declare Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 11:30:30 pm »

Simplify it. The original declaration was about the sovereignty of the individual. It still holds today as much as when it was written.
And it was followed immediately by the Articles of Confederation uniting the Sovereign States.
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Re: Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 03:06:40 pm »

* The Declaration above isn't all that long or complex, but a couple of paragraphs are just addenda anyway.
* I came up with the following Agreement that people could verbally endorse and initialize to help establish new moral local self-government. The y/n's could help to improve the wording.

Free Local Self-Government Agreement

I [print name & sign initials] agree that:
all people have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness [y/n]
all moral people have right & duty of cooperative moral self-government [y/n]
& duty not to support corrupt government. [y/n]

As a moral person, I agree that moral people:
believe in ultimate good [y/n]
collaborate with other moral people [y/n]
seek to reduce personal immorality and learn self-improvement [y/n]
seek optimum knowledge and health [y/n]
seek not to harm anyone or their property [y/n]
seek to be of maximum help to as many as possible. [y/n]

I agree that federal and state governments are largely corrupt because they:
represent the interests of big money, instead of the public [y/n]
represent mainly the legal system monopoly lawyers, the ABA [y/n]
tax the people without their consent [y/n]
give the people's money to big corporations and covert agencies [y/n]
oppress consumers, farmers & small businesses. [y/n]
[See list of abuses above.]

I agree that:
up to 100 local moral people may form a free ward for self-government [y/n]
up to 100 adjacent free wards may form a free county self-government [y/n]
up to 100 adjacent free counties may form a free state self-government. [y/n]
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Re: Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2010, 12:19:46 am »

Your third paragraph actually doesn't fit in a declaration, and tends to make little sense.
Federal, State, and local municipal government tend to work for voters... not that the voters actually can agree what is in their common good. But large groups tend to agree little. Also taxes are never consensual... that would be donations.
The fourth paragraph is more along the lines of a formation of a 'new government'.

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Re: Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 12:33:19 pm »

All governments are corrupt (or soon will be). If you're declaring independence from corrupt government, you may as well go whole hog.
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Re: Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 05:45:30 pm »

* I believe it's futile to oppose the word "government", because people are free to define words however they like, and many like the word "government" in reference to any cooperative organization of people. "Abuse" is not an essential element of the definition of "government". I called myself an anarchist for several years, from 1973 to 77 or so, but people misunderstood the word "anarchism", so I stopped using the word, though I continued to support the idea. I think it's authoritarian to try to force anyone to define words in certain ways only. That's my rationale for the above. I'm open to other rationales.
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Re: Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 10:50:11 am »

I think it's authoritarian to try to force anyone to define words in certain ways only.

It's more "common sense" than "authoritarian", in that the words aren't defined by an organized body so much as by common usage.  After all, if words weren't defined "in certain ways only", then I could use a single word for EVERY meaning.

So, so so so so so so so so so.

See?  You have no idea what I said in the above "sentence", because you had no idea what the definition of "so" meant in each instance.
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Re: Declaration of Independence from Corrupt Government
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 06:34:08 pm »

The common usage of the word "government" that I'm aware of does not include the idea of abuse of power. I say it 's pointless to insist that the word "government" means abuse of power, when that's not the common usage of the word.
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* Did the NH Legislature actually do what it says below? Voiding Unconstitutional Federal Laws? Does anyone know?

New Hampshire Fires First Shot Of Civil War
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html
Posted By Pat Dollard 6/6/2010

New Hampshire Fires First Shot Of Civil War by passing Resolution Immediately Voiding Several Federal Laws, Threatens Counterstrike Against Federal "Breach Of Peace"

The New Hampshire state legislature took an unbelievably bold step Monday by introducing a resolution to declare certain actions by the federal government to completely totally void and warning that certain future acts will be viewed as a "breach of peace" with the states themselves that risks nullifying the Constitution."

This act by New Hampshire is a clear warning to the federal government that they could face being stripped of their power by the States (presumably through civil war!).

The remarkable document outlines with perfect clarity, some basics long forgotten. For instance, it reminds Congress "That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations, slavery, and no other crimes whatsoever;. . . . . therefore all acts of Congress which assume to create, define, or punish crimes, other than those so enumerated in the Constitution are altogether void, and of no force;"

Federal gun crime laws? Void. Federal drug crime laws? Void. The gazillion other federal criminal laws that deal with anything other than the specific enumerated crimes? ALL VOID.

One would think that if any lawyer anywhere in the entire country was worth his salt, all federal criminal trials would have ended years ago. This seems to prove that most lawyers are dullards.

New Hampshire deals a complete death blow to the pending federal hate crimes legislation by pointing out "That, therefore, all acts of Congress of the United States which do abridge the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, are not law, but are altogether void, and of no force..."

Later in the Resolution, New Hampshire makes clear what the feds are now risking if they proceed further: The removal of all powers from the federal government by the States!

Quoting directly from the Resolution: "That any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:

I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.

II. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.

V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.

VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government; and That copies of this resolution be transmitted by the house clerk to the President of the United States, each member of the United States Congress, and the presiding officers of each State's legislature.
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* Did the NH Legislature actually do what it says below? Voiding Unconstitutional Federal Laws? Does anyone know?

No, HCR 6 did not pass.

---edit---
you've copied an incorrect publication date.
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Okay. Thanks. I wonder if it had much support.
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