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politicalGRAFFITI

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Occupy Movement, steering change
« on: November 19, 2011, 03:15:45 pm »

I have been reluctant to support the Occupy Movement because the core group of folks seemed to be leftist, class warfare, anti-capitalists...
However I have seen the broadening of participants and feel that the chance to steer many of the followers to a more libertarian or voluntarist position is starting to develop.

This appears to be one man's efforts...

Waiting for the Storm


One of the videos

An Open Message to the 99% (Occupy Wall Street)

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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 05:24:20 pm »

If you lie down with dogs (socialists), you'll wake up with fleas (more socialism).
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politicalGRAFFITI

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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 10:45:42 pm »

Many folks come from either the left or the right to find our path. Recently a long time friend who was very much a leftist told me the candidate he was most impressed by was Ron Paul. He likes his non-interventionist and audit the Fed positions. He also now own guns, something he was opposed to in the past.

Occupy Wall Street & The TeaParty Unite!?
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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 08:17:15 am »

You're talking about a group that's endorsed by the Socialist Party USA, and the American Nazi Party.

Probably not an ideal place to find recruits.

Not saying it can't be done, as there are certainly some who can be swayed, but just that the cost/benefit ratio is not likely to be worthwhile.  You could expend the same energy and get more recruits, elsewhere.
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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 08:54:38 am »

Quite a few FSPers are intimately involved with the Occupy movement in NH -- mostly to try to educate these folks about the true source of the financial situation, and the importance of the NAP.

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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2011, 09:35:46 am »

You educate people by creating educational materials and engaging in debate, not by being "intimate".  You tell them, "you are wrong, and here's a list of free (audio)books and educational videos that will help you understand why".  (I've had these kinds of links in my sig on many forums where I've debated.)  Pandering only results in watered-down arguments (ex. "the gun in the room") that would only weaken my position in the long run.  The pandering approach also empowers second-hander blabbermouth intermediaries (ex. Ian Fraudman) at the expense of actual idea creators.  There are no shortcuts to knowledge.

The FSP is already drowning in bad ideas and bad approaches to activism.  It doesn't need more left-wingers who are Jedi-mind-tricked into being libertarian for a while.  It needs self-criticism and strategic thought, and once it forms a rational strategy it will be able to attract some of the smartest people in the world to buy in.
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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2011, 02:55:16 pm »

A tag line used by the creator of the content...
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The truth is extreme to make it moderate is to lie.

More direct, not watered down content... at the same time winning hearts and minds by not being a debatetarian.
Why Paying Taxes Is Immoral

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Re: Occupy Movement, steering change
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 11:16:13 pm »

You educate people by creating educational materials and engaging in debate, not by being "intimate".
Perhaps we have had different experiences in changing hearts and minds.
I have found that the more I get to know someone on friendly terms, the more they have been open to my ideas.

The FSP is already drowning in bad ideas and bad approaches to activism.
On this I could not agree more.
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