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Radar

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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #855 on: September 25, 2003, 01:16:36 pm »

While I'm more than happy to drink your beer, I'm one of the best things for the FSP.  I'm an uncompromising voice of intelligence, reason, and integrity devoted to taking the necessary steps required for the FSP to succeed.  That means I will tell the absolute truth regarding New Hampshire.  Because of my efforts, more people are shying away from New Hampshire and looking at going out west where the FSP has a chance at success.  Because of your efforts, people are doing the same thing.  

I think you might need that beer to console yourselves when New Hampshire isn't chosen as the free state.  I'll need one if New Hampshire is chosen to cheer myself up because it will mean the death of the FSP and the last chance of fixing our government without bloodshed.

I'll tell you what, after I scrape up enough money to build the Porcupine Pub in the Free State, you guys can take a trip out west to visit and we'll talk about that beer.

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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #856 on: September 25, 2003, 01:27:52 pm »

I'm one of the best things for the FSP.  I'm an uncompromising voice of intelligence, reason, and integrity …

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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #857 on: September 25, 2003, 01:33:17 pm »

I'm an uncompromising voice of intelligence, reason, and integrity devoted to taking the necessary steps required for the FSP to succeed.  

In my opinion, nobody will achieve anything of note towards a Free State if they refuse to compromise every single step of the way.
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #858 on: September 25, 2003, 03:30:46 pm »

So I should compromise what is right to appease those that are wrong?  You want the rational to compromise to the irrational.  You want those who love freedom to compromise it to those who want to exert force against others.  You want good to compromise with evil.  

Sorry, it's not going to happen.  
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #859 on: September 25, 2003, 03:33:54 pm »

Doesn't Life Require Compromise?



  "A compromise is an adjustment of conflicting claims by mutual concessions. This means that both parties to a compromise have some valid claim and some value to offer each other. And this means that both parties agree upon some fundamental principle which serves as a base for their deal.


  It is only in regard to concretes or particulars, implementing a mutually accepted basic principle, that one may compromise...


  There can be no compromise between a property owner and a burglar; offering the burglar a single teaspoon of one's silverware would not be a compromise, but a total surrender - the recognition of his right to one's property. What value or concession did the burglar offer in return? and once the principle of unilateral concessions is accepted as the base of a relationship by both parties, it is only a matter of time before the burglar would seize the rest...


  There can be no compromise between freedom and government controls; to accept "just a few controls" is to surrender the principle of inalienable individual rights and to substitute for it the principle of the government's unlimited arbitrary power, thus delivering oneself into gradual enslavement...


  Today, however, when people speak of "compromise", what they mean is not a legitimate mutual concession or a trade, but precisely the betrayal of one's principles - the unilateral surrender to any groundless, irrational claim. The root of that doctrine is ethical subjectivism, which holds that a desire or whim is an irreducible moral primary, that every man is entitled to any desire he might feel like asserting, that all desires have equal moral validity, and that the only way men can get along together is by giving in to anything and "compromising" with anyone. It is not hard to see who would profit and who would lose by such a doctrine.


  The immorality of this doctrine - and the reason why the term "compromise" implies, in today's general usage, an act of moral treason - lies in the fact that it requires men to accept ethical subjectivism as the basic principle superceding all principles in human relationships and to sacrifice anything as a concession to one another's whims....


  The excuse given in all such cases, is that the "compromise" is only temporary and that one will reclaim one's integrity at some indeterminate future date. But one cannot correct a husband or wife's irrationality by giving in to it and allowing it to grow. One cannot achieve the victory of one's ideas by helping to propagate their opposite. One cannot offer a literary masterpiece, "when one has become rich and famous," to a following one has acquired by writing trash. If one found it difficult to maintain one's loyalty to one's own convictions at the start, a succession of betrayals - which help augment the power of the evil one lacked the courage to fight - will not make it easier at a later date, but will make it virtually impossible.


  There can be no compromise on moral principles. "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." ( Atlas Shrugged. ) The next time you are tempted to ask: "Doesn't life require compromise?", translate that question into it's actual meaning: Doesn't life require the surrender of that which is true and good to that which is false and evil?" The answer is that that precisely is what life forbids - if one wishes to achieve anything but a stretch of tortured years spent in progressive self-destruction." -Ayn Rand, 1962, from The Virtue of Selfishness

And additionally, regarding the RTKBA:


  "The necessary consequence of man's right to life is his right to self-defense. In a civilized society, force may be used only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use. All the reasons which make the initiation of force an evil, make the retaliatory use of physical force a moral imperative." "If some 'pacifist' society renounced the retaliatory use of force, it would be left helplessly at the mercy of the first thug who decided to be immoral. Such a society would achieve the opposite of its intention: instead of abolishing evil, it would encourage and reward it."

-Ayn Rand, 1962, from The Virtue of Selfishness
( Recommended! Excellent reading on her rational Objectivist philosophy! )
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #860 on: September 25, 2003, 03:37:58 pm »

Good luck with that approach.

In MY case I'm talking about compromising by saying, "While we'd like to scrap this whole mess of stuff, let's start with what everyone agrees should be scrapped, and work forward from there."

You need not compromise your principles to allow for alternatives to be created before public institutions are dismantled.
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #861 on: September 25, 2003, 03:50:15 pm »

Life and our actions (FSP) is a chess game. I do not care how you play as long as you win. Winning (our philosophy all around) is the goal.
Pragmaticks are the winners - life sucks RADAR >:(
This is my last post in "which state" forum
See you all in the free state (wherever it wil be) :D
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #862 on: September 25, 2003, 03:56:45 pm »

Geez Radar,

Ever see what a Palm tree does in a hurricane? :D

Ever see a big strong Oak snapped like a tooth pick in that same hurricane? :D

In the comming storm shall we be Oaks or Palm trees? 8)
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #863 on: September 25, 2003, 03:59:29 pm »



In the comming storm shall we be Oaks or Palm trees? 8)


Tanks.
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #864 on: September 25, 2003, 04:22:59 pm »

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Pragmaticks are the winners - life sucks RADAR

Life always sucks for those who compromise thier principles.

The word is "Pragmatics" and pragmatism doesn't mean compromising what is right to that which is wrong.  

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Woo Hoo!  Oops, I mean darn.  We'll miss your sparkling personality and witty repartee.  

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Ever see what a Palm tree does in a hurricane?

Ever see a big strong Oak snapped like a tooth pick in that same hurricane?

A palm tree is worthless and weak.  It doesn't prove very much shade, it can't be used for firewood, it's easy to cut down, and it's expensive to dispose of because nobody wants it.  An oak is valuable, strong, and provides furniture, shelter, heat, etc. for many.  

Also there aren't many hurricanes in Wyoming but there sure are a lot on the east coast.

I strongly suggest you read the Ayn Rand post I made again and this time do so with an open mind and use reason and logic.  



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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #865 on: September 25, 2003, 08:28:18 pm »

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The Greens have made some inroads in NH and the religious right has established their first New England beachhead in NH

If you are talking about the Green Party here in NH unless you can better define "some inroads" you don't know what you are talking about...

How do I know what I am talking about?

Because I am a card carrying member of the NH Greens.
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #866 on: September 25, 2003, 10:22:11 pm »



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The Greens have made some inroads in NH and the religious right has established their first New England beachhead in NH


If you are talking about the Green Party here in NH unless you can better define "some inroads" you don't know what you are talking about...  I am a card carrying member of the NH Greens.


There ya go.

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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #867 on: September 25, 2003, 10:31:32 pm »


How do I know what I am talking about?

Because I am a card carrying member of the NH Greens.

*uncomfortable silence*
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #868 on: September 25, 2003, 10:40:26 pm »

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There ya go.

forgot to mention...I am one of maybe a couple of dozen self-described "Green Party" members in the whole state.

hardly, "inroads" if you ask me...
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Re:NH vs WY
« Reply #869 on: September 25, 2003, 11:18:55 pm »

....That means I will tell the absolute truth regarding New Hampshire. ....
Since only God can tell the "absolute" truth, then Radar must be God (and Zack is his prophet)! ;)

As a supporter of NH, I send you best wishes Radar, and thanks for all the good work you have done to promote the NH cause with your, ahem, unique posts.
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