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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2003, 12:17:12 pm »

I notice the map leaves Texas all by its lonesome.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2003, 12:31:37 pm »

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I notice the map leaves Texas all by its lonesome.
 ;) ;)
Doug, you must've been grinning from ear to ear when you wrote that.

The Lone Star State probably has more people than all the other states and provinces on my colored in map. Maybe we could stretch our liberation to include New Mexico, Arizona, and Kansas like Jason's map shows
(thank's Jason!!.  ;D
 Without more Porcupine reinforcements, Texans may have to reliberate their own Alamo.  ;)  :)
Could you bring Oklahoma along too?
They're almost Texans. ;)
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2003, 12:41:51 pm »

Yup.

I lived in Texas for a while. I loved the spirit of independence there.

Too bad the population is so high.
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2003, 12:51:22 pm »

Yeah, we Texans generally feel that we could be totally independent if we wanted to, but we won't go for it just now because we want to be charitable to the other states that need us.  For now. ;)

Oklahoma is basically our redheaded stepchild; we wouldn't mind having the Okies in our republic, but they might prefer going with the L.S.S. to avoid being outnumbered by a bunch of Texicans!

(Oh, and once a Texan, always a Texan I guess. ;))
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2003, 01:07:34 pm »

The Great Western Porcupine Republic!

What should the capital be?  I can think of strong cases for both Denver (largest city) and Vancouver (port, and geographically in the middle).

Note that I've also got a New England confederation comprising VT, NH, and ME. ;)  It could also be combined with the Atlantic provinces.  By itself, Concord and Augusta both make good candidates for capital cities; with the Atlantic provinces, the case for Augusta is strengthened, but Halifax might be the winner.

And for those worrywarts, I'm not advocating secession, just imagining what things might look like in 2120 AD. ;)
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2003, 01:24:09 pm »

What should the capital be?  

Vancouver, that is if they don’t decide to go in with Pacifica.

I think Vancouver’s political outlook is closer to that of Seattle than to Montana or Wyoming.
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2003, 02:23:03 pm »

Yes, it's true that Vancouver is socialistic, but they're also a bit libertarian on marijuana, and the rest of B.C. (other than Victoria, actually the provincial capital) is quite conservative/libertarian-ish.

Calgary might be the closest we could find to a big city in line with our views...but then, you have to remember that the Canadian and American contexts are different.  In an American context Calgary would be a centrist city, but in the Canadian context it's conservative.  (However, Jim Turnbull has some choice words for Calgary and Edmonton!)
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2003, 02:26:47 pm »


For the Atlantic Confederation Atlantica?

St. John would be a good central location -- even though it is a port city.
The back harbor (Kennebec & Grand Bays) would be an awesome asset.


Yes, you're right, St. John does appear best situated (even though tiny Fredericton is actually the provincial capital of New Brunswick).

Newfoundland could possibly be brought into "Atlantica" as well; it has very substantial natural resources and is currently weighing independence from Canada.  That would give Atlantica control of the Cabot Strait and Strait of Belle Isle, the only ocean outlets for the St. Lawrence waterway.
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2003, 08:12:41 am »

Joe's point about locating a capital city away from coastline is well taken.  I can also see three other factors that might influence the location of a capital city:

  • It should probably be located in the most heavily populated section of the country (which would be the current US side in a western nation).
  • Although located in the most densely populated section of the country, it should probably be a small city so as not to be surrounded by negative influences and power structures.
  • It should be located near the junction of some major transporation route so that it is easily accessible.


Looking at Jason's map of a possible western confederation, I wonder if Butte, Montana might not be a good choice.  It's a smaller city, located in the mountains (so it would be more easily defensible); it's located on the current US side (most dense population section); and it's located at the junction of two interstates that run almost exactly north/south and east/west across the rest of the territory.

It's fun to speculate about, anyway!   :D

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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2003, 11:26:11 am »

Hi Jason and all,

Re:  NE Confederation

It's hurts that I'm the one lengthening everyone's commuting time to the capitol.

The Faeroe Islands are seeking independence from Denmark.  Last year these islanders held a referendum as a first step toward independence from Denmark.  They've been seeking independence since the 1948 home rule act.

Something similiar is going on with Greenland.

Those folks are anti Europe and more pro the New World.

Plus, no deficiency on the omega 3 nutrients.

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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2003, 03:42:00 am »

Jason, I love the map! However (always one to pick nits):

Vancouver, and Vancouver island belong in Pacifica.

The Pacifica eastern boundary is the Cascades, west of where you have shown it.

Pacifica also should get Las Vegas and Clark County (?)

We'll start our own new capital city (as they did with DC), plunk it down in some non-windy part of Wyoming, or western Colorado. Or hell, Salt Lake City (but I know some folks would squawk).

Somehow I think Missouri belongs in the US.

Texas may be reabsorbed by Mexico. With any luck, California will be too, unless it's fallen into the ocean.
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2003, 06:01:14 pm »

Jason, I love the map! However (always one to pick nits):

Vancouver, and Vancouver island belong in Pacifica.

Yeah, you're right... Guess I wanted to give the GWR a good port. ;)

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The Pacifica eastern boundary is the Cascades, west of where you have shown it.

Really?  I must have been inexact then, because I meant to make the border the Cascades (actually the 120th parallel, which serves as the border between California and Nevada - I guess that's slightly east of the Cascades ;)).

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Pacifica also should get Las Vegas and Clark County (?)

Hm...maybe.

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We'll start our own new capital city (as they did with DC), plunk it down in some non-windy part of Wyoming, or western Colorado. Or hell, Salt Lake City (but I know some folks would squawk).

Actually, I think the founders' idea of putting the capital in an easily accessible area where no one would want to live was a good one. ;)  Maybe Cove Fort, Utah, a tiny town in the high desert that happens to be at the crossroads of two interstates!

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Somehow I think Missouri belongs in the US.

Yeah...Mark Twain did fight in a rebel militia, but places like St. Louis definitely belong in amorphous Yankee-land. ;)

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Texas may be reabsorbed by Mexico.

I seriously doubt that. ;)  Even the Spanish speakers in Texas refer to themselves as "Tejanos."

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With any luck, California will be too, unless it's fallen into the ocean.

No argument here.
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Re:let's talk Montana
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2003, 02:55:49 pm »

Actually, if you could leave St. Louis and Kansas City in the US, the Ozarks (MO & AR, I'm pretty sure) would prefer to be part of the Free State.  Draw a line across the state, along the MO River, maybe?  Making sure that KC & STL are on the US side, of course.


Somehow I think Missouri belongs in the US.



Yeah...Mark Twain did fight in a rebel militia, but places like St. Louis definitely belong in amorphous Yankee-land

 
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