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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2009, 09:21:28 pm »

Just read the posts.

The answers are in there.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2009, 04:19:59 am »

just announced:  the 3rd 1000!

(tired act)
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2009, 10:25:46 pm »

BDR, I specifically state that the Board would neither endorse nor accept ads for the Next 1,000.

Ah. Next 1,000. I thought you were talking about First 1,000.


Did you have any other suggestions to offer?

I was personally against starting the Next 1000 until after the First 1000 got here.
See we got the 1000 to sign up but 11 months later we are only 75% of the way to 1000.

I suggested Like 5000 to START the pledge Jan 1 2009 and finish 'later'.

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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2009, 10:26:02 pm »

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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2009, 02:25:08 am »

I was personally against starting the Next 1000 until after the First 1000 got here.

Doesn't sound quite right to me either :-\


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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2009, 05:59:27 am »

so that website I made for the 5th 1000 isn't going to work?   ;D

I guess I never signed the statement of intent.  I did so last night.  Just in time I'm moving Friday if everything goes well.  Chalk up two more freestaters come home.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2009, 07:36:58 am »

so that website I made for the 5th 1000 isn't going to work?   ;D

I guess I never signed the statement of intent.  I did so last night.  Just in time I'm moving Friday if everything goes well.  Chalk up two more freestaters come home.
ye haw!!!

Do you need help moving?
If yes you might want to call porc 411 now to line some people up.

welcome home!
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2009, 09:06:27 am »

While I am signed up in the forums, I can't seem to login on the FSP home page!  I know I voted WAY back when we were still choosing a state, but now I'm wondering if I was ever counted oin the stats ? ? ?   And I know my partner (who joined me here in 2007) has never been added...So....where do I go to insure that I/we are actualy counted?!

Thom
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2009, 10:04:16 am »

BDR, I specifically state that the Board would neither endorse nor accept ads for the Next 1,000.

Ah. Next 1,000. I thought you were talking about First 1,000.


Did you have any other suggestions to offer?

I was personally against starting the Next 1000 until after the First 1000 got here.
See we got the 1000 to sign up but 11 months later we are only 75% of the way to 1000.

I suggested Like 5000 to START the pledge Jan 1 2009 and finish 'later'.

Most of the folks online at that time (on the "second wave" thread, or whatever it was called) wanted another 1,000 to tap into the large numbers of Operation Live Free or Die crowd.  It was thought that, even in Ron Paul didn't win the primary, we could recruit them AND get another 1,000 going for them.  Polls were put up asking folks how they wanted to do this.

Of course, several folks had said that they didn't want another First 1,000 project until we'd gotten ALL of the First 1,000 (1031, IIRC) into New Hampshire.  Since many have backed out of that, I consider it EXTREMELY unlikely that we'll ever get ALL 1031 of those folks into the state.

Some of the new mover-activists wanted to be part of their own First 1,000 project, so a number of us got together and set up a Next 1,000 pledge... up to 156 signers with absolutely no support from the FSP Board.  100% grass roots, baby!
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2009, 12:13:30 pm »

While I am signed up in the forums, I can't seem to login on the FSP home page!  I know I voted WAY back when we were still choosing a state, but now I'm wondering if I was ever counted oin the stats ? ? ?   And I know my partner (who joined me here in 2007) has never been added...So....where do I go to insure that I/we are actualy counted?!

Thom
email moved@free...state....project....org to check on both.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2009, 05:33:44 pm »

Check out the "Which State" debate and how many people argued that an Eastern state (especially a New England state) would never pull 20,000 movers.  All of those things have come to pass.  Here are more that weren't anticipated (or were mentioned by just a few):

-wish washy people.  A lot of the more recent prospective movers have been generating excuses faster than we can respond to them. 

1. Romantically partner them up with people who aren't wishy washy.  Possibly, through social activities like speed dating at liberty forum or something.
2. Build a buddy system.  Let every new mover link with an already moved volunteer who will provide encouragement and support from NH.


-Some of us are trying to sell/recruit, while others are saying who needs them.

1. Lean on people who are dropping out.  They made a contract to work for Liberty in NH.  Some of them won't even vote.  Remind them that they made an oath.
2. Make it easer for people who aren't social enough to sell/recruit to donate money in support of those who are - tables at liberty conferences, travel funds, etc.


-jobs.  Out west, jobs go to the most qualified.  In New England, jobs go to friends of friends, family, etc.

1. Start a project to write letters to persecuted businesses that are highly taxed or legislatively oppressed asking them to relocate their businesses to NH
2. Put together a group of freestaters to attend entrepreneurship conferences and activities like BarCamp.
3. For a liaison relationship between the FSP and NH gov't offices trying to get business to move to NH.  Like, state office of economic development.  They're already talking with companies and trying to get them to move to NH from other states.


-cold.  Most prospective movers don't know about (or don't believe) the weather here on the seacoast.  It's really not bad.  We only have about 2-3 months on the coast that are worse than jacket weather.

1. Raffle off a free ski trip to a FSP member who hasn't moved yet every winter so that they can see it's not that bad.
2. Put climate data on the FSP website showing that NH doesn't really get much colder than the midatlantic states in the winter.
3. Talk to people citing "cold" as the reason that they can't move to see if that's really the reason they don't want to or because it's a convenient excuse to hide a more sinister reason like they're currently on welfare in a state with more generous benefits than NH.
4. If people say it's too cold in a non-fsp forum, just expect they're hiding something and completely ignore them and not waste time on them other than posting a link to climate data.  Humans evolved to live in temperatures like those in New Hampshire.  If someone says their body can't handle it, there's probably something else going on that's not worth anyone's time to dig into.


-family.  Split custody, sick parents, girlfriends/spouses, etc.  These are all valid reasons, and some people can't leave family behind.

1. Try and form close friendships with these people and encourage them to do the same with other freestaters already in NH.
2. Try and talk to their loved ones who are the problem.
3. Get them to commit to move when things clear up - kids hit 18, parents finally die, girlfriends/spouses are supplanted by next year's younger skinnier models.


-medical.  Extreme cold, access to specialists, and other issues keep people bound to one area.

1.  Try providing them with some information about the best in the nation medical care available in Boston and the 35 minute drive time from Salem, NH.
2.  Talk with them to see if this is the real issue or if they're just the type of people who have a more nanny like the state to take care of them (welfare, disability, other benefits) and don't want to leave it.


-age.  For various reasons, we have very few older movers.  By far, most of the new movers have been couples, families, and individuals between 20-45, most at the age where they're looking to settle down somewhere permanently.

1. When I was in Alaska, Alaska had a problem with limited population growth keeping the local economies in a state of either stagnation or slow growth.  Most people who moved to Alaska were young poor white men.  Alaska knew they needed rich old women to drive local consumer spending driven revenues.  They passed local laws creating cities and town that had no property taxes.  Retirees, mostly from Washington State/NorCal/Or, started moving up by the thousands buying condos and spending their retirement savings locally.  We could try and get something similar passed to attract rich liberty minded grey hairs from NY/MA/ME/VT/CT.
2. Talk to seniors who have/have not moved, and ask poll them for "customer insight".  Why did they move?  Why did they not move?  What were their concerns that kept them from moving?  What got them to do it?   Once you understand that particular groups' issues you can make plans to address them.
3. Create a volunteer task force of over 65's to work with other other 65's who might want to move.  Peer to peer recruiting would work better.  Probably, especially so with that age group.  It's hard for an over 65 to listen to advice a guy in his 20's - 30's.


-moving back out.  Many porcs have moved here only to leave.  Some leave for just a few months, while others intend to leave for good.  Some have become disgruntled about the movement, while others just lose interest.

1. Again, poll.  Why did they leave?  Was it because they couldn't find a job?  Couldn't find a girlfriend?  Did they get discouraged by slow legislative progress? Make an action plan to deal with what's driving them away.
2. Set up some kind of move back to NH pledge.  "I will move back to NH in 5 years."  just like the "I will move to NH ..." pledge that got them to move in the first place.


-do-nothings.  Or folks who do very little.  Many of the folks who move here never lift a finger to do any recruiting.  It's one of the most unusual things to see, in my opinion.

1.  Decide if this is even worth spending time an energy on.  If 3% of movers are do-nothings - that's ~30 people.  ~30 people isn't going to make or break the project if we're going for 20,000.  If we hit 20,000, 3% is only ~600.  Not a big deal if they're such a small minority.  Some people are just going to be like this.   Why kick a dead horse?
2.  Poll, again.  Do you at least vote?  If not, why?  Do you recruit?  If not, why?
3.  Buddy system, again.  Try and hook them up with a friend.  It's easy to lose motivation and focus when you're working alone.  But, when you're working with at least one other person, one of you is usually on task at any given time.


-introversion.  Most libertarians are intellectual and/or introverted.  They are either not too comfortable talking to strangers or they speak so many levels beyond John Q. Public that they never quite click with people.

1.  Post some information on a Porc psych. or Porc friendly psych.  These people might benefit from mental health help.  Some of the most frustrating people to me are ones who move to a small town but won't tell any one where, won't sign up and move the counter, and won't vote - mostly out of a near psychotic level of paranoia.  Most of these people move to a rural enough area that if they were active or at least voted, they could make a big difference.  Some help from a professional might not help them make a huge impact in the FSP.  But, it would probably at least improve their quality of life and personal level of happiness.  So what would there be to lose by trying?
2.  Find specific tasks for introverts to do.  Maybe they don't like to be social.  But, they don't mind researching laws, writing computer programs,  and helping send out mailings.  Or, maybe they're less introverted on the internet and would be willing to do recruiting on IRC or on Ron Paul websites or something.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2009, 05:34:20 pm »

(Part 2:  Post was over 1,000 char limit)

-internal fighting and arguing.  This one was predicted from the get go, but not on the scale that we've seen.  Literally every effort I've seen by new folks to identify and solve problems has been met with angry flame wars and personal attacks.  Many problems persist within the effort that cannot be solved because they are never even accepted by members.

1. Let people know it's not acceptable here.  Start a karma system for the website and let people downvote each other.  Avoid bringing controversial topics (like support for authoritarian DA's) to the forums.
2.  Try and remove/kick/ban the worst offenders.  A few people can set the tone for a community if you let them.


-members are not members.  Only the FSP Board has any say in the organization.  Movers are not considered "members," and have no vote or say in anything that FSP Corp. does.  This is not a member owned organization.

1. Form a new corp.  Money will follow success.  If you get a new corp going where members have a say in the finances, and activities, and the board has limited power, and it gets lots of new porcs to move to NH I'd donate money to it instead of the current FSP.  I don't think you have to worry about anyone at the FSP suing you for stealing their idea.  We all want the same thing, a New Hampshire Free State.  Let's do what ever the hell we have to to make that happen.
2. Run/Volunteer for the board of the FSP.  Get support from key members and have them put pressure on the current board to appoint you.  Change things from the inside.


-substance abuse.  Drinking (and other drugs) have been a major issue, in my opinion.  Some folks have taken this to excess, and it inhibits their drive to do anything but hold the occasional sign or attend the occasional event.  I am drinking a Blue Moon while writing this, so whatever, eh.

1.  If someone really has a bad problem, offer to take them to an AA meeting.  Would you like to put that Blue Moon down and go to an AA meeting with me?
2.  Set up projects that are smaller and more achievable.  How many years has it taken to get nearly 1000 people to move?  Getting a next 1000 to move is a big goal.  But, getting one company to move across the border from MA and bring 3 jobs with it might be a right sized chunk that could keep people motivated and give them the positive feed back of some immediate success.  Or, get 3 people to move.  Or, whatever....  But, small achievable success so that most people will take the position of "hey I could do something important or I could get drunk tonight" instead of "it's going to take 10 years to accomplish what I'm working on, so one night of drinking is no big deal".


Basically, we don't have a winning, cohesive, united organization.  Numerous attempts have been made to get lots of people behind a strategy, but you usually here something like, "You don't have a right to be dictator!" or "Everyone can just do what they want to." There are lots of strategies that would be successful (recruiting, free town projects, State House stuff) that have failed because the fsp is like ten year olds playing soccer.  Lots of kids are running after the ball, but there's no cohesive strategy.  The Board doesn't really consult the membership like winning teams do, and most folks in the movement don't believe in majority rule, anyway.

In other words, there's no pledge on pledgebank saying, "I'll agree to commit X hours a week to winning strategy Y, but only if 99 other people agree to do the same." If you suggest something like that, instead of getting input or discussion, you get something like, "Okay, FSP Mover XXX, why don't YOU do it."

That's why the counter is still in three digits.

Well, I think the "big long term goals" vrs "bite size chunks" that I was talking about is a big part of these issues.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2009, 05:38:03 pm »

Setting up a poll, right now.

Good to get a discussion going...
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2009, 06:07:33 pm »

Check out the "Which State" debate and how many people argued that an Eastern state (especially a New England state) would never pull 20,000 movers.  All of those things have come to pass.  Here are more that weren't anticipated (or were mentioned by just a few):

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Lots of good ideas here anon.  We need more volunteers.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2009, 06:50:02 pm »

Setting up a poll, right now.

Good to get a discussion going...

Max, can you hold off on that poll for the moment if I say pretty please? ;D
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