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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 10:59:41 am »

What would you like changed in the RSAs for incorporation?
I think the LSRs have already been entered for this session, but if you could narrow it down and define it... the next cycle comes around rather quickly.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 11:14:44 am »

anon233456, you are dead right about the need to focus on changing things in state.  I have just been saying that we only need 12-1500 political activists to turn the state around.  Trying to enlist some of the non-voters and non-doers in this has proven untenable.

What I'm saying about difficulties in recruiting, however, were problems even when the economy was in great shape.  I have heard the many reasons folks have given for not making the move.  Just as bad, I've seen many people make the move, then become as immobile as Jabba the Hut.  It's really tough heading out there all the time to pick up litter, testify in the State House, write letters to the editors, and speak out at local public meetings when there are so many who stay at home playing online MMORPG's.  There are tons of opportunities to get locals and prospective movers out to these events--i.e., recruiting.

Aside from the low taxes, New Hampshire really isn't that probusiness.  Like it or not, most developers and business owners would rather write checks than wade through red tape.  A business development that is delayed by six months may lose millions in business because of the litigation and bureaucratic hoopla that they have to jump through.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 02:38:02 pm »

Need a Freestater with a good business plan that can employee people in great numbers and be compatible with protesting.  I can't get off on Wednesday's to go to the statehouse 96% of the time or otherwise help out with other action times that occur during the day or early evenings.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 02:54:50 pm »

Wow, getting off topic, but ok.

More and more IT/tech folks have been talking about putting together a liberty IT/engineering/web development team.  The issue seems to come up at every event.  We have a lot of technical people interested in doing this, but there has been a shortage of business/management/accounting folks.

We'll be talking about the idea at the next Movie Night Sunday here at my place in Seabrook, for folks wanting to come out.  I've been scoping out the area for office space.  That shouldn't be too difficult, at the moment.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 03:13:05 pm »

That's my answer to the OP.  I've been at this for about seven years, and the problems have pretty much been the same throughout.  Those, as I see it, are basically the reasons that we haven't been able to turn slow growth into rapid growth.  If you try to diagnose and solve problems, you get a lot more negativity than positive results.

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Is that negative, or just rational?

Anyway, that's why I dedicate most of my time to just recruiting and helping new folks get into New Hampshire.

Take it with a grain of salt. :) I mean who the hell says "negative norman"? I think you hit a number of issues, and the first step to solving a problem is to identify it. The drug one I'd never heard about. I guess I was confused by the tone, e.g. "many porcs" have left? I guess I hadn't caught wind of some mass exodus. For each point you identify, do you have a solution to suggest? It doesn't have to work. But "we" can sure use a lot more options.

BD, you haven't moved yet?  WTF?  New Hampshire is where it's at, dude.

The State of New Hampshire makes it very difficult for me to get a license in my field of work. That, and I was a passenger in a nasty car accident earlier this summer, which delayed my plans. I'll see ya'll in February.

I guess its just the Marine in me that is disappointed to see what is happening to the country I thought was worth defending, but the apathy people have is astonishing....sad

As a Marine, you know that genuine leadership is not run by a democratic process. One can only lead people to the extent they implicitly agree or are inspired to be led. Defined goals help. That is something the FSP does not create, because different participants think there should be "vastly different" goals and cannot agree upon the methods to achieve them. And as libertarians (broadly defined) people fight tooth-and-nail for their ideas and principles. As they should.

In actuality however, the various goals aren't that terribly far apart. There is no place ANYWHERE in the world where there are enough people meaingfully gathered (and planning to gather) to work for smaller, more efficient, peaceful government--regardless of the form it will take, or if at all. Many Americans think that'd be a good idea, but they don't have the cajones to make pay the personal costs to make it happen. Personally, I conceptualize that as the initial obstacle that the FSP's non-organization overcomes. And it does a fairly good job of remaining neutral on political positions so that any initial in-fighting won't tear the "migration" itself apart. That's just my personal opinion.

Wow, getting off topic, but ok.

More and more IT/tech folks have been talking about putting together a liberty IT/engineering/web development team.  The issue seems to come up at every event.  We have a lot of technical people interested in doing this, but there has been a shortage of business/management/accounting folks.

Goddammit, no more of this "have been talking about" crap! I've been hearing about it for years. Are you gonna do it or not?

Who's involved? Write the names down. What services can you provide? Write them down. Who are your customers? Write some done. If ya'll are done talking and ready to get serious, get a plan going. Write it down. Call me when you don't know what to do next, and I'll be happy to put the boot to you, medium-style.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2009, 03:35:32 pm »


  You're better off just getting involved with locals.  That's what I do.

which is what people SHOULD be doing....learning from the locals.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2009, 03:36:01 pm »


For now, I think we should spend less time on recruiting and trying to get people to sign up and move and focus on trying to fix the legislative things that make New Hampshire unattractive.  For example, I think we should work on trying to get some bills passed to make it easer to form corporations so that it's not so difficult for people to move, start small businesses, and hire other others who want to move as part of the free state project.   Vermont is currently kicking New Hampshire's ass when it comes to the difficulty involved in get a company incorporated and operating. 




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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2009, 03:38:11 pm »


Goddammit, no more of this "have been talking about" crap! I've been hearing about it for years. Are you gonna do it or not?


they are libertarians they like to talk about it. ;D
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2009, 03:40:32 pm »

"Have been talking about it"

Okay, well we're going to talk about it some more at Movie Night Sunday this weekend, so there.  We've had an easy time getting tech people interested, but a tougher time getting business/accounting/management type folks involved.

It's just tough trying to get input from so many different people attending so many different events.  Everyone has a different opinion on how to proceed.  Should we put the website together first?  Should we just use jeffersonforum.net for the discussion?  We've got a Child Board at jf.n for those who are interested in the project.

Just leave your two cents there.

Hope to see you in Feb, brah.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2009, 04:02:32 pm »

I tried to reg. over there last week (i think) but it said sign-ups were closed.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2009, 04:14:35 pm »

jeffersonforum.net should be fixed, now.  It's just an automatic sign up and email activation.  I've heard a couple of people complain that the sign up didn't work, so I've got back in to the admin section and redone it.

I'll get Movie Night Sunday posted there, also.  That should get some more folks out to my place that night.

I've invited lots of Mass liberty folks up here, so who knows--we may get that counter moving again, eh.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2009, 05:40:07 pm »

jeffersonforum.net should be fixed, now.  It's just an automatic sign up and email activation.  I've heard a couple of people complain that the sign up didn't work, so I've got back in to the admin section and redone it.

Still doesn't go past the user registration page for me. On submit, says registration is disabled.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2009, 05:52:26 pm »

Okay, that should fix it.  There was a backlog of unregistered folks.  I've installed some cool packages, but they can sometimes cause admin type problems.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2009, 06:25:44 pm »


Goddammit, no more of this "have been talking about" crap! I've been hearing about it for years. Are you gonna do it or not?


they are libertarians they like to talk about it. ;D

Talk is good; do is better.
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Re: Why only 776
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2009, 06:54:53 pm »

For now, I think we should spend less time on recruiting and trying to get people to sign up and move and focus on trying to fix the legislative things that make New Hampshire unattractive.  For example, I think we should work on trying to get some bills passed to make it easer to form corporations so that it's not so difficult for people to move, start small businesses, and hire other others who want to move as part of the free state project.   Vermont is currently kicking New Hampshire's ass when it comes to the difficulty involved in get a company incorporated and operating. 

Yes, that's right, a bunch of socialist are kicking our ass at capitalism... brutally!!!

Anon, I have to disagree with that.  In March of 2007 I had a dream about opening up a bar/restaurant.  By June 1, my staff was hired, I had my liquor license, my health permit, my incorporation, my EIN, my bank accounts, my staff, my Food & Beverage Tax Number and pay-by-internet tax account, my alcohol vendors secured, had gone through the liquor sales training course, had received state variances for outdoor sales and number of days open, received an occupancy permit from the local fire chief and support of the Selectboard.

Try doing all that in 3 months in any other state.
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