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JasonPSorens

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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2009, 03:27:45 pm »

It's broadly worded precisely so that people can construe it as they like. If the SoI said "labor-based property," it would exclude most libertarians. If it said "both land- and labor-based property," it would exclude Georgists. As it is, I think it can include both right- and left-libertarians, within reason. (Some self-described left-libertarians think that all property is theft & that it is acceptable to use violence to socialize the means of production in an "anarchist" society. They are excluded from the movement.)
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 03:31:20 pm »



Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.
law based
labor based


Aye Carumba  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.... I just want to be left alone.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2009, 03:40:12 pm »



Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.

Aye Carumba  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.... I just want to be left alone.

I echo your sentiment. But some people would try to take your money anyway.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2009, 04:07:26 pm »

Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.

Where it says that "the maximum role of government is the protection of life", should we clarify that we don't mean slime mold?

Slime mold might or might not be labor-based.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2009, 04:27:55 pm »

Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.

Where it says that "the maximum role of government is the protection of life", should we clarify that we don't mean slime mold?

Slime mold might or might not be labor-based.

Not property. The protection of life.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2009, 04:29:53 pm »

Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.

Where it says that "the maximum role of government is the protection of life", should we clarify that we don't mean slime mold?

Slime mold might or might not be labor-based.

Not property. The protection of life.

You would if you want slime moldians to join the FSP like left libertarians...
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2009, 04:33:41 pm »

You would if you want slime moldians to join the FSP like left libertarians...

Who said I want left libertarians? ;)

I think you're missing the point. The language of the SOI is intentionally very vague.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2009, 06:27:19 pm »



Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.

Aye Carumba  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.... I just want to be left alone.

I echo your sentiment. But some people would try to take your money anyway.

i know  I just don't quibble or try to confuse myself or others about law based or labor based or lead based property.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2009, 09:43:27 pm »

You would if you want slime moldians to join the FSP like left libertarians...

Who said I want left libertarians? ;)

I think you're missing the point. The language of the SOI is intentionally very vague.

Libertarian socialists are left-libs...

The SOI was changed to be more vague...
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2009, 09:55:58 pm »



Specifically, it needs to differentiate between law-based property and labor-based property plus possibly rules around occupancy and use.

Aye Carumba  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.... I just want to be left alone.

I echo your sentiment. But some people would try to take your money anyway.

i know  I just don't quibble or try to confuse myself or others about law based or labor based or lead based property.

Well, I try to confuse myself as much as possible. That way nobody knows what I'm going to do next. /tinfoil hat
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2009, 04:38:23 am »

if they believe in living in a voluntary society then they're most definitely welcome.  If they want to come here and start voting for more government or supporting the government we do have in some instances, then no I will not welcome them but I will try and talk to them.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2009, 06:31:50 am »

if they believe in living in a voluntary society then they're most definitely welcome.  If they want to come here and start voting for more government or supporting the government we do have in some instances, then no I will not welcome them but I will try and talk to them.

The guy is calling into question property theory...original appropriation did not occur voluntarily according to homesteading principle.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2009, 09:11:22 am »

The problem is of course not the theory... just how to fix that which was broken so long ago.
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2009, 09:18:44 am »

B D Ross said, "Where it says that "the maximum role of government is the protection of life", should we clarify that we don't mean slime mold?"

What is "slime mold"?
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Re: A place for people like me?
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2009, 09:35:38 am »

What is "slime mold"?

An endangered species, no doubt.  ::)
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