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a_dude2009

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i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« on: July 26, 2009, 01:49:41 pm »

hello, i have researched this group pretty extensively and fully support its goals, but I don't know if I would fit in. Maybe if I related some of my info to the group, some members could help me decide. I am a computer tech who has been dealing with cancer for the last few years. So I was forced to go on disability. That's the rub, really. I had no choice in the matter, I had to accept social security disability.
I know that this group has the goal of living free from the government nanny state mentality and before I became ill, I would have cheered this goal on. Now, I draw monies from this nanny system to survive.
I made the argument that I could have a sit down tech job, still be productive, but I couldn't find an health insurance company that would allow for my pre-existing condition.
Anyway, to cut to the chase, what do you all think?
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 01:52:54 pm »

I'm sorry to hear that. What sort of cancer? Is it in remission?
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2009, 03:19:23 pm »

I think it's OK to take out whatever you've put in, but not any more than that. Would you fight to keep income redistribution programs in place if you moved to NH? If so, then I don't think you would be a good fit, but if not, and if you can eventually live up to your ideals, then I think you would fit in fine.

Incidentally, I don't think the health insurance issue ought to prevent you from getting a job if you are able. Getting a job would still allow you to get off disability, even if your pre-existing conditions weren't covered by health insurance. Something to think about! :)
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2009, 03:21:07 pm »

I say if you like the idea of promoting liberty, then you mise well just move here - you'd fit in. I'm sure you've payed plenty into the government via taxes so it's not so shameful to take back what they already took from you. Plus, this is the area to be in for tech-related work.
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 01:58:25 pm »

first, thank you for replying. i have carefully read the responses and i think i have an idea what you'all think of my becoming a member. you have to realize whatever form of government you end up forming, a certain percentage of your population will be born deficient, another slice of your population will develop paranoid/schizophrenia, another percentage will develop cancer or other disabilities, car accidents, etc.  what is to be done with those peoples? there has to be a system that provides for those people, otherwise you end up putting them on a raft and letting the tide take them out to their deaths, as the Hawaiians used to do. now, i tried to champion the idea that people who find themselves in that situation and can work, however limited by that disability, such as myself, should be allowed to do what work they can, so they can pay taxes and continue to contribute to society. and to do so without fear of losing their health insurance due to pre-existing condition.
after all, the idea is to form a society that is filled with productive, forward thinking people who contribute to the political body. not a bunch of deadbeats sucking of the government tit until they expire.
i would like to be productive again, to go somewhere and be allowed to work/contribute and not worry about not losing what little insurance i have now. if i get another blood clot or another stroke or my cancer returns, i HAVE to have insurance of some kind.
I am VERY frustrated and i am looking for anyway out of this situation, to be productive again.
Anyway, I love this country and weep to see the path we have turned down. I don't fear death as much as I fear living to see my country descend into the hell of fascism/socialism, which will lead ultimately to our complete destruction. and the rise of the eastern powers.
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 02:21:18 pm »

jasonpsorens, income redistribution IS communism/socialism, no doubt about it. it is wrong to take from the hard working to subsidize the life styles of those who refuse to do WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE. i believe that persons like myself (physically disabled) should absolutely contribute WHATEVER IS WITHIN THEIR ABILITIES.
they should not be shunned or "dissed", but treated as any other person who contributes.
dignity, for me, has come from the knowledge that i was productive and lived within the rules set down by God and mans laws. that is how i raised my son, who is now a computer tech and a minister.
since my disability, i have had limited self respect and receive little respect from others, due to the fact that most people in my situation are bottom feeders, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc.
i've been profiled and don't like it, dammit.
anyway, the voyage of discovery i am attempting here is to see if your new society has a productive place for folks like me. or should we end up in a dustbin, stored in government housing and treated like animals.
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 11:40:51 am »

Since the FSP is simply a bus to get people to NH to get active, there will undoubtedly be many different opinions regarding welfare or disability.  I personally think in a freer, market based economy, there will still be a demand for disability.  It will however be up to the market to decide how to generate income to support these functions.  I envision some sort of nonprofit company supplemented by local voluntary contributions.   Either way, I have a feeling that you could find a place for yourself getting active for Liberty in NH.
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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2009, 02:45:59 pm »

Don't beat yourself up about getting back some of your money that they stole from you.

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 03:00:01 pm »

Don't beat yourself up about getting back some of your money that they stole from you.
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and if it makes you feel better donate some to the FSP and/or Liberty Alliance.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 05:00:38 pm »

Don't beat yourself up about getting back some of your money that they stole from you.
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and if it makes you feel better donate some to the FSP and/or Liberty Alliance.

Yes, we offer guilt credits...similar to carbon credits. 

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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 06:57:01 pm »

Don't beat yourself up about getting back some of your money that they stole from you.
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and if it makes you feel better donate some to the FSP and/or Liberty Alliance.

Yes, we offer guilt credits...similar to carbon credits. 

Ok, not really.

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Re: i like the idea, butt i don't know if I would fit in...
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 07:39:53 pm »

I lost my mother to cancer. My family, me included, donates quite heavily to the Susan B. Coleman, cancer research, and other charities.

If I could keep the money the government takes out of my paycheck, I would donate more. Coupled with de-regulated insurance and I don't think it will really be a problem.

But I have no intention of fighting to get rid of disability. To me government disability is not what's ruining our country. In an ideal world? Sure we can find a better way. In the real world though, Cash for Clunkers and it's ilk should be primary targets.
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