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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2002, 08:48:00 pm »

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I cannot live somewhere where I don't have easy, last minute access to New York, San Francisco, and/or Houston.
Why? and why can it not be via a connecting flight to Denver or Boston or Salt Lake? Would not the time involved in getting from Manchester to Boston be just as long as from Cheyenne to Denver?

Actually, there are direct flights between Manchester and Newark -- I've taken them before when visiting relatives. Connecting flights are certainly doable, though I tend to avoid them because of the hassle, smaller cabins, and fewer first class seats (for free upgrades). Also, the number of airlines and flights are small, which generally means prices are higher.

Though I guess driving to Denver or Salt Lake City isn't out of the question. I'm used to only considering public transportation, but I have to remember that you have to have a car if you don't live on the East Coast.


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and THAT - the spending of a great amount of time in Washington rather than with their people back home has been the cause of the downfall of our democratic republic. The votes the Free State activists need to win are the folks back home in order to affect the changes needed to make a state free. Fighting with Washington is tilting at windmills.

I agree that it is tilting at windmills, but I don't think spending time in Washington is a problem, if the person isn't corrupt at heart. I loved living in DC and would love to live there again, aside from the fact that you have no vote.

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The FSP is sorely going to need people who can go on Larry King, O'Reilly, and Crossfire and come out leaving the media and public with a favorable impression. I think the odds of those people joining the FSP are much greater in an Eastern state.
See above. Other than trying to keep the nation from invading the Free State, if the FSP activists are doing their job where the job is the most important, they are back home.

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Over the years here the greatest local anger with our county commissioners, chamber of commerce directors, and school superintendents has been that they spent too much of their time hobnobbing with the state governor or elsewhere out of this community. If they spent too much time in Washington it had better have been bringing home the pork -- and I thought the Free State was against seeking federal handouts with strings.

I agree on that point. I don't think county officials need to ever travel out of state. I generally feel the same way about congressmen and their "fact finding" trips to other countries. If their staffers were being sent, I'd have no problems.

However, there will be a need to suck up and play to the media. Also, the issue I was pointing out was the need for people that can run a large political campaign. I'm sure it can be done on a purely local level, but my knowledge is all about having people who are trained in running a campaign. I went to school to be a political reporter and most of my classmates were training in political communications. Many of them have become disgusted with the system and their knowledge would be very useful.

Of course they don't want to give up there penthouse suite for living in a free state. The benefits for them will be minimal at best. The amount of money they give up would probably be more than they could make in the free state. Initially at least. But for me and a lot of others here money is not the issue, freedom is.

You'd be surprised at how few people live in penthouse suites. That kind of statement is like saying that anyone who doesn't live in a major city must like living in a trailer park.

Living in a city has nothing to do with a ritzy lifestyle, hell you can live like that anywhere. We had a guy back in podunk Texas who rode around in a stretch with longhorns on the hood. Urbanities like myself thrive on being around lots of people and the dynamic that comes from being around people. When I moved here I was making less than $35K a year, when I paid more than that in rent last year for 600 sq. ft. But even if that was all I was making, I'd still be here. I have tons of friends that live with multiple roommates in apartments smaller than the average American's bedroom.

The FSP will have to be successful with the media. No organization gets anything done in the world without careful courting of the media. Yeah, it sucks. But there really isn't a way out of it. And people that can handle the media tend to prefer Urban areas.

The same goes for many other "professionals", as Eddie pointed out. You might not care for those professions, but you are dreaming if you think the FSP can work without doctors, lawyers, accountants, MBAs, computer geeks, and people who work in media, public relations, economics, banking, project management, and many other professions I can't think of off the top of my head. And most of these people need to be in cities that are large enough to support them.

Mark
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2002, 10:34:50 pm »

The same goes for many other "professionals", as Eddie pointed out. You might not care for those professions, but you are dreaming if you think the FSP can work without doctors, lawyers, accountants, MBAs, computer geeks, and people who work in media, public relations, economics, banking, project management, and many other professions I can't think of off the top of my head. And most of these people need to be in cities that are large enough to support them.

Mark

So you are saying there is only doctors and lawyers in big cities? That is just ignorant. Also public transportation will be one of the first things cut I would imagine, they tend to eat cash faster than Clinton eats a Big Mac.
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2003, 06:38:45 pm »

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Basically that means the following cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, Boston, Atlanta, Houston, San Fransico, Tampa, Dallas, Richmond, Philidelphia, and some other east coast cities)  Choosing any of the western states would cut all of these people off. 
Good!
Nearly all who live in those cities are addicted to big government.
Being too close to those cities brings their government ideas too.

I want a state where I can be left alone and not pestered by every petty regulating wannabe tyrant.
No grass police.
No paint police.
No dog police.
No building police.
No school police.
No gun police.
No alcohol police.
No tobacco police.
No drug police.
No obsenity police.
No sex police.
No gambling police.
No traffic police.
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2003, 01:32:47 am »

I doubt the land in Wyoming is as cheap as Montana, and the people in Montana are more freedom oriented.  (See the Montana Freemen, Casinos, etc).  Plus Montana is more beautiful and has slightly less rednecks, white supremacists, and religious right to contend with.  Besides I don't know how much the property taxes are in either state but it doesn't matter which is higher because we'll be changing that.  I like the wide open spaces, trees, etc. Montana has to offer.  

I'm considering moving to Missoula or Butte.
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2003, 03:46:52 am »

Hi Black Hills,

Ref "Dog Police"

One of the proverbial straws breaking the camel's back was the new dog police.  This is vivid in my memory along with all the horror stories of major political events.

I'm probably a little older than the median age at this forum.  Twenty two  years ago my wife and I built a shack in the woods on some acreage.  We're on a private road with only a few neighbors also on acreage.

I decided to adopt a dog from the county dog pound. The place runs off of donations and public funds.  The well being of all the animals there doesn't win awards from PETA.

To adopt a mut, I was told I must submit a financial statement and also sign a statement allowing inspectors to check on the dog at any reasonable time.

I am civilized and definitely not a trouble maker.  I respectfully declined but left with the documents stating the financial statement requirement and the agreement for inspections.

I showed this to a political official I trust. This person, older and wiser than me, said words to the effect that  'something else is going on'.

It's one of the reasons I'm here and reviewing a move so I can serve as reinforcements in a place not as far gone as the land of 7 Presidents.

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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2003, 08:54:29 pm »

I currently support Wyoming for the project.

If I were going it "alone" (i.e., just our family), then I'd have a hard time choosing between Idaho, Wyoming and Montana, so I'd probably defer a lot on that to my wife. And I'd look at SD but I don't think she'd go there, nor would she go anywhere back east. I wouldn't either - been there, done that...

I am ready to get out of Oregon. It's not the utter disaster some states are, but the statists seem to have the upper hand, and I'm getting tired of it. I really like the notion of the "Code of the West", and admire those who think that way.
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2003, 03:43:18 am »

     NH gets my vote hands-down.  I feel that the best chance for freedom anytime soon is in the Granite State.  Let's look at the facts...

  • One of the first State Constitutions in the US.
  • No State Income or Sales Taxes
  • The Governor Actually WANTS us there!!  Gov't officials from ALL other states have told us to go somewhere else.  Also, Gov. Benson recruited his Libertarian opponent to help him REDUCE THE SIZE of the State Gov't

     Many WY Supporters will tell you that you can go to Ft. Collins or Denver (Both in Colorado) for work, entertainment, etc.  If you are spending most of your time in another state, how active can you be in yours??  With NH, there is no need to go to any other state for that, there are already a lot of good jobs, and "big-city amenities" for those who seek them.  And since you are staying in your state more, you can be more active there.

    Also, no matter how statist it's neighbor Taxachussets can be, the people coming into NH want to be FREE of that.  Not only that, but I can donate some of my time to help MA candidates such as Michael Cloud or Carla Howell....

   I haven't even gotten to personal reasons, such as NH posessing some of the most beautiful scenery you will ever see!
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2003, 04:12:40 am »

    NH gets my vote hands-down.  I feel that the best chance for freedom anytime soon is in the Granite State.  Let's look at the facts...

  • One of the first State Constitutions in the US.
  • No State Income or Sales Taxes
  • The Governor Actually WANTS us there!!  Gov't officials from ALL other states have told us to go somewhere else.  Also, Gov. Benson recruited his Libertarian opponent to help him REDUCE THE SIZE of the State Gov't

I will not try to change your mind of any thing.  I am just posting this for other people that might be reading it.  You seem dead set on NH regardly of the state reports and all objective info, and that is fine.  However, I would like to correct something.  The gov. of Wyoming also wants us there.  As far as I recall, the LP of ME, NH, VT, DE, and WY want us there, also.

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With NH, there is no need to go to any other state for that, there are already a lot of good jobs, and "big-city amenities" for those who seek them.

This is more of an opinion thing...  However, WY and NH are about the same when it comes to big-city stuff, as far as in-state is concerned.  NH is slightly better.  However, ID, AK, DE, ME, VT, and SD all have more big-city amenities in-state than NH does.  AK, DE, and ID offer much more than either NH or WY.  Of course, NH and WY (along with DE) are very close to VERY large cities for that pretty much makes up for their in-state city sizes.  

I agree that NH has lots going for it I will enjoy moving to NH if it is picked.  In fact, I rank it higher than even a couple of the western states, like MT and ID.  

But than again, I'm from neutal land in Memphis, TN and have family in the east (NY, ME, FL and VT) and the west (CA, CO, AK, AZ, NV).
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2003, 06:11:07 am »

Hi Varrin and Mlilback,

Ref your research on (scheduled) air service, do realize you are obtaining information on the current situation.

A lot of scheduled air service in the lower 48 (Alaska is somewhat different) exists because of a subsidy program known by it's initials, EAS - Essential Air Service.  The Congressional delegations pushed this for the convenience of their supporters.  It's great to live in the country with the benefits of urban living.  Still, the subsidy program is up for review.  FYI; I've been fighting EAS subsidaries.

After the next presidental election, there's sure to be major changes.   Thus, plan accordingly.

BobW
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2003, 09:19:24 am »

I will not try to change your mind of any thing.  I am just posting this for other people that might be reading it.  You seem dead set on NH regardly of the state reports and all objective info, and that is fine.  However, I would like to correct something.  The gov. of Wyoming also wants us there.  As far as I recall, the LP of ME, NH, VT, DE, and WY want us there, also.

Well, the governor of WY has not said he wants us there.  We have been "officially" endorsed by the LP organizations of all the candidates except SD, ND, and ID.  ID is the only candidate state whose LP rejected a resolution to endorse the FSP (it's a very fractious LP organization).
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2003, 09:32:19 am »

   Also, no matter how statist it's neighbor Taxachussets can be, the people coming into NH want to be FREE of that.

The more I study the voting records of the current NH house, the more I am convinced of this. The legislators with the best voting records, almost without exception, represent the rapidly growing southeastern tier of the state.
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Re:Which state if you moved alone?
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2003, 11:54:40 am »

The Republican Governor of NH has John Babiarz working for him and is meeting with the FSP, the NH GOP chair welcomes us, we got another endorsement on the WBZ special from an unnamed legislator, and the Democratic party paid for ads and calls for Dan Belforti (L) for Congress in 2002...
How much more do they hafta open the door? ;D We're taking the welcome in... Hope you all join us.

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