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[John Edward Mercier]

Flu kills thousands of Americans every year; but it tends toward the young, old, and those with weakened immune systems. - John

* Vaccines and many medications, as well as poor nutrition, weaken the immune system. So the cause of the weak immune systems is the cause of the deaths from flu.
* No vaccines have ever been proven to be safe or effective. Vaccines have not reduced the incidence of diseases. The stats show that the diseases were all greatly declining before vaccines were developed. The true cause of such declines was apparently cleaner water and cleaner food processing etc.
* How do you know about bioweapons?

Vaccines are focused on triggering an immune system response prior to a natural exposure to a virus. I think you'll find that cleaner water and food processing is more about bacteria.
Flu deaths tend toward two formats... dehydration or cytokine storm.

ABW were a centerpoint of BioShield, and though GW signed it into law... it was developed during the late stages of his father's Administration.

[anon37268573]

About 20,000 Americans die every year from the flu.  That's why it surprises me that the MSM is still trying to scare us with so many hundreds of deaths from H1N1.  What ever happened to AIDS and car accidents?

Actually, not that many people die from AIDS.  I think the Gov't likes AIDS because it lets them push a conservative agenda and scare young people away from having sex and producing offspring.  After all, only the chosen members of the Oligarchy should be allowed to have children.  Here's a site with interesting figures on how insignificant HIV/AIDS is in the USA:

   http://www.fairfoundation.org/

Also, several H1N1 flu strains have infected humans in the 1800's and 1900's.  Only in 1918 was there a random chance mutation that made H1N1 strain influenza infection particularly virulent.  I think this particular H1N1 outbreak will be mild and provide some protection for the populous against future H1N1 outbreaks.

   - anon

[anon37268573]

Flu kills thousands of Americans every year; but it tends toward the young, old, and those with weakened immune systems. - John

* Vaccines and many medications, as well as poor nutrition, weaken the immune system. So the cause of the weak immune systems is the cause of the deaths from flu.
* No vaccines have ever been proven to be safe or effective. Vaccines have not reduced the incidence of diseases. The stats show that the diseases were all greatly declining before vaccines were developed. The true cause of such declines was apparently cleaner water and cleaner food processing etc.

Infiltration of neutrophils into the lung tissue are what most often cause death from H1N1 flu.  Essentially, the immune system becomes very active and sends large numbers of phagocyte cells (T-Cells) to kill infected cells.  The lungs become inflamed, essentially flooded, with immune system cells.  It gets to the point where the exchange of carbon dioxide and oxygen is disrupted and the patient suffocates. The mutation in 1918 that caused human immune systems to have such a strong response is unlikely to reoccur.   But, it could happen.

There are many different types of vaccines including LAV (Live Attenuated Virus), Killed Virus, and Protein vaccines.  In Protein vaccines specific proteins, usually surface proteins (like HIV's gp120/gp41 (gp = glycoprotein)) are injected into the individual and wind up in the patient's dendritic cells where they are used to train T-Cell lymphocytes through an evolutionary process.  Protein vaccines have a very small chance of causing any problems for the patient.  Most often, problems associated with protein vaccines are auto-immune disorders due to protein similarity between virus proteins and natural cell receptor signaling proteins (remember that virii bind to signal receptors that your body uses to send communications between cells).  Killed virus vaccines are essentially complete whole virii that have been deactivated, usually through radiation exposure that breaks apart the Hydrogen/other bonds of their DNA /RNA sequences.  Killed virus vaccines are the safest along with Protein vaccines.  LAV vaccines are genetically engineered vaccines in which pathology causing genetic sequences (such as toxin encoding genes - codons) are removed by enzymes.  LAV's are the most dangerous because they actually cause infection of the Human body and LAV vaccine virii may mutate back to disease causing forms.  A specific example of a dangerous LAV vaccine is the polio vaccine.  It is often used in Africa and mutation back to a disease causing sequence occasionally occurs causing an out break of the polio disease among those who have not be vaccinated.

I personally take every Killed Virus and Protein vaccine that I can get after they have been out for a while.  But, I do not take LAV vaccines unless I absolutely have to.  If people ask me about their kids, I tell them to get all vaccines but LAV's.

The AstraZeneca/MedImmune H1N1 nasal spray vaccine is a LAV.  It has been fast tracked.  I, like many of the front line health workers, will not take it.

           - anon

[Pat McCotter]

Cytokine storm

A cytokine storm, or hypercytokinemia is a potentially fatal immune reaction consisting of a positive feedback loop between cytokines and immune cells, with highly elevated levels of various cytokines.[1]

...

Role in pandemic deaths

It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[6] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[7] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths.[8] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[9] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[9]

[rossby]

Aaaah, evolutionary pressure in action.

(edit: that was in response to some nasty flu bugs killing young whipper-snappers with otherwise healthy immune systems.)

[Luck]

* This video http://larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=12055 I think says the main problem of the economy since 1987 or so, when Greenspan took over the Fed I think, and earlier as well, is that the government has been supporting monetary value instead of productive value. It says the current movement in the U.S. of citizens protesting the government at town hall meetings, tea parties etc is the early phase of a mass strike phenomenon, similar to the 1989 demonstrations in East Germany, that brought down the government and led to Germany's re-unification. There's a report from a man in Germany about the 1989 event that's rather interesting. It also announces LaRouche's recently updated economic plan for a real recovery.
* LaRouche has been warning that a global economic collapse is likely to begin by mid-October, with a run on the dollar or the like. http://Http://solari.com has a link to a recent article that said the "Web-Bot" predicts something similar on about October 25.

[John Edward Mercier]

Monetary value instead of productive value?

A run on the dollar is not something new... and since we are in mid-October, well... this should be good spin.

[Luck]

* This video http://larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=12065 says the Fed [which Eustace Mullins found is owned by Britain] is encouraging the fall of the dollar and that, since there is no other currency suitable for world currency, the global economy will soon collapse. Isn't that correct?
* Monetary value I think means mistakenly regarding money as an asset, whereas productive value means correctly regarding production as true assets, while money is merely a means of communication or the like. That could probably be better explained.

[TroilusGreen]

* This video http://larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=12065 says the Fed [which Eustace Mullins found is owned by Britain] is encouraging the fall of the dollar and that, since there is no other currency suitable for world currency, the global economy will soon collapse. Isn't that correct?
* Monetary value I think means mistakenly regarding money as an asset, whereas productive value means correctly regarding production as true assets, while money is merely a means of communication or the like. That could probably be better explained.

Money is an asset, since it can be used to pay debts and taxes.  It will remain somewhat valuable until this is no longer true, which is a long time out no matter what.  There's nothing inherently wrong with that, other than the fact that it's being used to concentrate power into the hands of our statist lords and masters, and as a platform for redistribution of wealth.

Furthermore, there are a number of currencies which could serve as as global reserve currency, in the unlikely event that the dollar collapses altogether.  Gold and silver are naturally favored by those of us who don't like printing presses, and the euro has a pretty strong position as a currency which there is tons of, but the rules of the currency union (enforced by other states who don't want their own currency devalued) ensure it will be reasonably stable.

[John Edward Mercier]

* This video http://larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=12065 says the Fed [which Eustace Mullins found is owned by Britain] is encouraging the fall of the dollar and that, since there is no other currency suitable for world currency, the global economy will soon collapse. Isn't that correct?
* Monetary value I think means mistakenly regarding money as an asset, whereas productive value means correctly regarding production as true assets, while money is merely a means of communication or the like. That could probably be better explained.

Nope. The FED was created by an Act of Congress, and can be dissolved by Congress any time it wishes.
I wouldn't say the FED is encouraging the fall of the dollar, just unable to stop the fall dueto the fiscal position the US is in.
There are plenty of other currencies suitable for use as reserve currencies, along with several metal, etc.
Its just a matter of the sovereign funds diversifying their portfolio holdings... which many of began to do already.

[Luck]

Financial Fraud Wrecking the Economy, by Catherine Austin Fitts [edited and paraphrased by Luck]
http://tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=113197&ord=1538462
[Catherine has an investment newsletter at http://solari.com. She was a Wall Street investment bank manager, then Assistant Secretary of Housing at HUD in the first Bush Administration and later a financial advisor to the FHA in the Clinton Administration.]

 Starting in 1989 in the first Bush Administration, my first order from Housing Secretary Jack Kemp was to clean up HUD. It was at the end of the Iran-Contra affair and the Savings and Loan scandal. The agency kept very poor records and didn’t know whether or not it was in compliance with the law. The law said HUD was supposed to be self-sustaining by charging enough for mortgage insurance to make a small profit. She learned that two HUD regions were together losing over 11 million dollars a day. Those were centered in Texas and Colorado. The Texas district included Arkansas, so both the Bush and Clinton administrations were from the same district, which was engaging in financial fraud, stealing taxpayer money for private interests.  The Department of Justice in 1998 said that the US financial system launders $500 billion to a $Trillion a year. [Laundering money means money made from illegal activities is invested in legitimate businesses in order to conceal where the money came from.]
 A government reform group I was part of worked mightily to get laws passed to require the government to produce audited financial statements starting in 1995. To date it has never once done so. That was in both the Clinton and the Bush administrations. At the end of 2004 right after the election, the U.S. Treasury wrote off 4 Trillion dollars of missing money, stolen by private interests and again refused to produce audited financial statements.
 America's rise to power has been fueled by having a system that provides the lowest cost of capital. [Capital is money or assets used for acquiring an income stream. The lowest cost of capital is capital that is stolen, or obtained by selling stolen goods, by scamming buyers, or as a gift, such as from taxpayers. Low interest rates on loans also provide a low cost of capital.]  The guy with the lowest cost of capital wins.
 If a franchise business has investors who are dealing drugs into your neighborhood that it can finance, taking over your market share of business in your neighborhood for less than zero, it's a neighborhood leveraged buyout. The people who can combine organized crime with government securities and stock market financing can get the lowest cost of capital.
 The Clintons' rise to the White House was fueled by the Iran-Contra operations in Arkansas. The drugs and arms transshipment point in Mena, Arkansas had allegedly been one of the most significant operations under the aegis of the first Bush Administration’s National Security Council asset, Oliver North . Some said that as much as $100 million a month of arms and drugs flowed through the airport at Mena. The stories and lore, whether about the goings on or the deaths of the many people who tried to stop or expose them, took up thousands of pages on the Internet, but never seemed to work their way into the 'official reality' of national TV and newspapers.
 In August of 1996, the San Jose Mercury News broke Gary Webb's story of illegal narcotics dealing by the US government, targeting South Central LA with crack cocaine. The San Jose Mercury News was known as having the finest website of any newspaper. Its location in Silicon Valley meant that the techies read it and took it seriously. The story was serialised, but what was different was that the website crew took the time to scan in thousands of pages of supporting legal documents available to read or download from its website. Thousands of Americans had copies of the original documentation. The evidence was hard. The allegations were true. The story was now out of the control of the official reality cops and was helping Americans come to understand that one of the most profitable businesses in America, illegal drugs, might not be run by black teenagers and Colombian warlords, but by representatives of their own government.
 When people learn about the financial fraud driving our economy, they often don't want to change the system, because they’re benefiting from it. I said once to a group of seemingly conscientious people: What would happen if we stopped being the worldwide leader in laundering dirty money and if we stopped narcotics trafficking in every neighborhood in America? They said the stock market would go down because that money would go to the Hong Kong stock market and we might have trouble financing the deficit so our taxes might go up or, even worse, our Government checks might stop. So I said, if we had a button we could push that would stop all narcotics trafficking tomorrow, who here would push the button? Out of about 100 people only one hand went up.

[Luck]

HOW THE MONEY WORKS: THE DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBOURHOODS [by Catherine and edited by me]
The model works about the same in every country, although the particulars vary between domestic and international agencies and the military and enforcement bureaucracies. Some call it the securitisation process. Some call it corporatisation. Some call it privatisation. Some call it globalisation. What this means in layman's terms is that the management of resources is centralised. This is done through a system of securitisation based on privilege and coercion, rather than performance and the rule of law. From the viewpoint of the neighbourhood there are six ways to centralise local capital:
 First, you consolidate all retail sales into a few large corporations, including franchise operations, cutting out local small business.
 Second, you outsource ('privatise') all local government functions to a few large corporations or subject them to such an overwhelming amount of federal regulation that they can be controlled and managed for the benefit of a few large corporations and their investors.
 Third, you buy up all the land and real estate, or encumber them with mortgages in a way that is as profitable as possible and allows you to get control when you want it.
 Fourth, you finance the entire process with the profits from narcotics and organised crime that you market into the neighbourhood. This enables you to lower your cost of capital and the initial price of your investment and weakens your competition. They buy your business and land with your money at a fraction of the cost. No one sells her home faster and cheaper than a mother trying to make bail or pay a lawyer to save her family from jail or death. That is why narcotics trafficking is the ultimate form of neighbourhood leveraged buyout.
 Fifth, you leverage all of this with tax shelters, private tax-exempt bonds, municipal bonds, government guarantees, and government subsidies, all protected with complex securities arrangements.
 Sixth, you ensure that the only companies and mutual funds allowed meaningful access to capital are those run by syndicate-approved management teams. To raise significant campaign funds, candidates for political office appoint syndicate-approved management teams. Investment syndicates define the boundaries of managed competition that cycle all capital back through their pipelines. That means the only local boys who can make good are those who play ball with the syndicate. In this way the private equity in a community can be extracted at a near infinite rate of return to investors and a highly negative rate of return to taxpayers.
 While it would be nice to learn the truth of what fraud, if any, has transpired, what is important is to get our tax dollars managed properly and if money is missing, get it back. Scandals and blame games are not as useful as getting a proper system of resource management in place and recovering any stolen money.

[Luck]

This is the third article in a row of Catherine's I condensed lately, which I think may help understand how the economy was wrecked and how we might fix it.

Mapping the Real Deal - Financial Ecosystems
By Catherine Austin Fitts, Thursday, 11 June 2009, 2:35 pm [edited by Luck]
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0906/S00122.htm

 The Participatory Democracy Project at Chicago’s 49th Ward under the direction of Watson Institute for International Studies at Brown University is indeed exciting. Participatory budgeting has the potential to strike a much healthier relationship between citizenry and the creation and application of government credit, regulation and taxes. Developed originally in Brazil, it has not yet been tried in the United States. The opportunities to re-engineer government resources in communities are much greater than many of us realize. Alas, we have a significant challenge with many Americans and companies now dependent on billions in government programs developed through political considerations without professional investment standards and accountability for performance.
 America is filled with “community arbitrages,” which offer the potential to get much more for less if we approach change with a new concern for people, natural resources and both public and private financial resources. To find and re-engineer these opportunities is a complex task, ideally done with citizen participation. One of the reasons to map your financial ecosystems, is because it is best to understand existing resources and what has been happening to them before you take action. Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
 The reason we are considering participatory budgeting is in response to the prospect of significant reductions in municipal revenues and spending, due to economic decline, because of federal government sanctioned financial fraud. An approach that leads to real solutions is to step back and look at the bigger picture, the full financial ecosystem. For example, rather than just looking at the immediate assets on our municipal balance sheet, let’s incorporate the enormous pools of state and local pension funds and other capital reserves.
 * Are we investing them in ways (A) that create income in our economy or (B) that strip our economy and savings with leveraged buy outs and mortgage frauds?
 * Who is getting the fees from these pools? Is it (A) ethical firms or is it (B) the same Wall Street banks that have been so instrumental in recent financial frauds?
 * Where are all the government contracts related to activities in our communities? (A) Do they reflect productive expenditures, or (B1) are we pumping up corporate stocks (B2) paying someone $50-150 an hour to do something that (A2) someone in our community would love to do for $10-25 per hour plus health care benefits?
 * Are we outsourcing tax payer funded jobs to Asia while paying Americans unemployment, welfare and food stamps, hence removing the jobs here that would save taxpayers funds, when we look at government budgets on an integrated basis within a place?
 * What are the laws and regulations that create public and private expense in our place and who is making or losing money from them? Is it time to reinvent some fundamental rules?
 So that’s how we can look at the bigger picture. We also need to look at the bigger picture through time. Available assets are not just those currently existing. We need to understand whether we are missing assets—either to understand the drains in our economy so we can heal them presently or determine if there are methods to recapture missing assets. In short, we want to understand who and what drained assets and what the state of economic warfare in a place is so that we can create lasting change.
 * Who has been distributing narcotics into our communities? (See: "Narco Dollars for Beginners.")
 * Who has been engaging in mortgage fraud? (See “The Myth of the Rule of Law.”)
 * What money has gone missing from our various levels of government, including off balance sheet agencies and arrangements? (See: "The Missing Money.")
 * What has been the impact on savings of Federal Reserve monetary policy and the manipulation of the precious metals and financial markets? (See: "Positioning Your Assets" and "Positioning Your Assets: Is Your Community Waving Goodbye to $3.3 Billion?.")
 * Are public or private financial institutions engaging in usury, fraudulent inducement or other practices that are grounds to judicate recovery of illegal profits or abrogation of fraudulently created liabilities?
 We need to find a process in which such questions can be asked. Let’s step back and look at some of the financial ecosystems around the Chicago project. There are numerous investment interests represented on the Watson board and the Brown Corporation board, including a Citigroup board member and several former Goldman Sachs partners, both of which companies are known to engage in financial fraud. How the private interests of the board members relate to the Corporation’s endowments and investments is worth considering, because many private financial interests have profited in ways that are highly destructive of communities. Are we to understand and address the root dynamics or not? The federal Administration, with the assistance of Congress, has redirected trillions of taxpayer resources to the very banking and investment interests that are responsible for the economic crisis and their thefts are exhausting our currency and our borrowing capacity, thanks in part to the so-called “bailouts.” Can our neighborhoods afford profligate banks but not local parks and services?
 When cutbacks came in the 1990’s in Russia, Eastern Europe, and Latin America, highly profitable asset stripping is what happened. Do we run the risk that the investment interests that have engaged in such financial coups are now interested in using the same model to asset strip American communities? America does not have an economic problem. We have a political problem, which subsidizes a kleptocratic financial sector that no society can possibly afford. If we are going to transform to a healthy society, we are going to have to clean up our behavior and our money on both Main Street and Wall Street. Let’s map our financial ecosystems first, so that healthy participatory budgeting is real.

[John Edward Mercier]

She really doesn't have a clue does she.

[rossby]

She really doesn't have a clue does she.

Doesn't appear so.