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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #150 on: August 26, 2003, 04:22:33 pm »

Just bumping this thread so people don't have to scroll through 7 pages to find Idaho!   :)
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #151 on: August 26, 2003, 04:27:04 pm »

Good job. ID is my second choice. Just after NH ;)
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #152 on: August 26, 2003, 04:32:53 pm »

Same here. Having grown up in ID and now living in NH, I've long felt that NH is the ID of the East, or that ID is the NH of the West, whichever way you prefer to look at it.

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« Reply #153 on: August 26, 2003, 09:05:54 pm »

  Don't forget the people of Idaho who form the juries.We KNOW about jury nullification.For example,Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris were set free after their showdown with the FEDs.Then after the civil trial Weaver was awarded a $3.1 million verdict.
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #154 on: August 26, 2003, 09:58:46 pm »

 Don't forget the people of Idaho who form the juries.We KNOW about jury nullification.For example,Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris were set free after their showdown with the FEDs.Then after the civil trial Weaver was awarded a $3.1 million settlement. As opposed to [other high-profile instances].



I agree that constitutional issues are at the forefront of the minds of many in Idaho.  Several prominent Supreme Court cases challenging various federal agencies have come out of Idaho, brought by private citizens.  I can still vividly remember the highway display I saw just south of Preston, ID where a giant (50 foot long) old septic tank and a mobile home and some farm equipment are all painted with bright messages extolling the Constitution and freedom.  Also, just picked this comment off the FSP-Idaho discussion,
Ashcroft Patriot Act Tour Stops in Boise
The attorney general was hoping for a receptive audience but there are some even in law enforcement who are still skeptical.  "I'm just concerned about our rights," said Owhyee County Sheriff Gary Aman after attending the speech.  "I swear to uphold the Constitution and I want to do that and I want to be careful how I do that."
 
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #155 on: August 27, 2003, 09:42:03 pm »

Butch Otter is a member of Ron Pauls liberty coalition.
How many other states have a congressman named Butch.
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #156 on: August 29, 2003, 09:19:41 pm »

Idaho on Front Page of Washington Post!

"BOISE, Idaho -- Even here, in a bedrock Republican state in
the heart of the conservative Mountain West, a lot of
people think Attorney General John D. Ashcroft has gone too
far.

One of this state's most prominent politicians, Rep. C.L.
"Butch" Otter (R), is leading an effort in Congress to
curtail the centerpiece of Ashcroft's anti-terrorism
strategy, the USA Patriot Act. Sen. Larry E. Craig
(R-Idaho), who used to croon alongside Ashcroft in a
senatorial quartet, said this month that Congress may have
to consider scaling back parts of the law. And in a state
with an all-GOP congressional delegation, several city
councils and the legislature are considering resolutions
condemning Ashcroft's tactics in the war on terrorism.

"Ashcroft wants more power," said state Rep. Charles Eberle
(R-Post Falls), who has drafted a resolution critical of
the Patriot Act. "What a lot of us in Idaho are saying is,
'Let's not get rid of the checks and balances.' . . .
People out here in the West are used to taking care of
themselves. We don't like the government intruding on our
constitutional rights."

for complete article see:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61836-2003Aug28?language=printer

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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #157 on: August 30, 2003, 08:54:45 am »

Y'all,

This Washington Post article made Yahoo!'s front page news headlines.  These guys *are* making some noise in the interest of liberty.  I don't normally jab at the competition, so please allow me this one exception.  Where's the Yahoo! News headline from NH or WY about their actively libertarian representatives?  I haven't seen it.  I watch those things fairly regularly and this is the first one of its kind I've seen.

So all you NH people who (maybe rightly) promote the work of your people on the ground already, don't discount ID.  It's not just 1 of them either.  Craig is mentioned and the ID combined RLC scores have now *risen* to the very top of the nation despite the so-called 'statist population growth' effect.

I could gush on, but it's all been said before...

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Re:100 VARIABLES, OVER 10 YRS - IDAHO FIRST!!!!
« Reply #158 on: August 30, 2003, 09:51:25 am »

It's the tax rate in Idaho that is Idaho's lead balloon, though overall, it's far better than several other candidate states, like Maine and Vermont.

The EFI weighed the tax factor less than in other indexes, that is why Idaho sailed to the top of 50 states.  The other indexes weren't so kind.  When it comes to regulatory environment, judicial system, and other factors, ID is most definitely tops.  When you think about it, regulation in and of itself is a tax, of sorts.

If we should go to Idaho, education should be one of our strongest concerns.  I read where 60% of the Idaho state budget, excluding federal grants, went straight to education, and yes, that's including lottery proceeds.  Idaho is already there on the homeschooling front, it is already as practically  free as anyone can envision it.  The tuition rates for public higher ed. in Idaho is some of the lowest in the nation, that could use a few changes.  Interestingly, teachers in Idaho are also some of the lowest-paid in the nation too, so many of them might welcome privatized schools if the higher money could be dangled in front of their eyes.

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    Re:100 VARIABLES, OVER 10 YRS - IDAHO FIRST!!!!
    « Reply #159 on: August 30, 2003, 10:02:54 am »

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    Re:100 VARIABLES, OVER 10 YRS - IDAHO FIRST!!!!
    « Reply #160 on: August 30, 2003, 10:13:17 am »

    On a scale of 1 to 10, IDAHO CAME IN FIRST!!, with a score
    of 3.92. Unlike others who select stats for their own purposes,
    I will mention Wyoming and S. Dakota were runner-ups.

    I keep saying that South Dakota is under-rated. It's been my clear second choice for a long time.

    I agree Idaho would be a top contender if not for its current population and incredible project growth.

    WY > SD > AK > MT > NH > ND > VT > DE > ID > ME
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    Re:Why In the World Would You Rank Maine over Idaho?
    « Reply #161 on: August 30, 2003, 05:14:44 pm »

    My empty bottle . . .says DEP: ME, VT, CT, DE, NY, MA 5 cents, MI 10 cents.


    No such bottle deposit in Idaho!

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    Re:100 VARIABLES, OVER 10 YRS - IDAHO FIRST!!!!
    « Reply #162 on: August 31, 2003, 03:43:29 am »

    exitus,

    Congrats on 1000 excellent posts!  You da MAN! ;)

    But mabye I'll add something to this thread.  This might be worthwhile...  Let's think about how we rank things on the spreadsheet (BTW, ID comes out *way* in first place in my spreadsheet rankings.. dunno what you all are doing wrong ;))  There are *lots* of variables one the spreadsheets.  Not all of them are important and some of them duplicate things.  This particular study is highly comprehensive.  I haven't studied it in depth, but my guess is the other two mentioned by zxcv encompass some degree of overlap but with a significant weight on the income tax issue (and maybe sales tax as well).  I suspect ID takes a ding in spreadsheet rankings as a result of weighting the other indexes (in which it scores less well) highly *and* weighting the independent tax variables (also available on the spreadsheet) highly.  Hence, those of you who are doing that (tsk, tsk) are double or triple counting a fat negative for ID.

    Why is this important?  Because tax cuts are an easy sell, especially in Idaho.  Yes, they're a negative, but they're easier to repeal than, say, welfare useage which *causes* taxes but is, itself, more difficult to deal with from a marketing standpoint.  And they're an especially easy target in Idaho which ranks #1 in the Citizen Ideology study by a considerable margin.  This is *huge* for Idaho.  And, not only do Idaho's citizens score well on the Citizen Idology study, but they repeatedly prove their ideology by voting for more and more libertarian candidates despite the supposed dramatic increase in 'statist immigration'.  

    Okay, so it's so impressive that now I'm making it sound like Idaho doesn't even need the FSP.......  ;)

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    « Reply #163 on: September 01, 2003, 07:19:45 am »

      I read somewhere that the state is actively lobbying the high tech companys that are leaving california.
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    « Reply #164 on: September 01, 2003, 09:01:37 am »

    In response to Varrin's post above:

    Re: spreadsheets. . .

    Yes, the various weightings in the spreadsheets and what all went into them is far from perfect, though it is still a useful tool.  Here are some other things I have noticed that have harmed Idaho in the spreadsheets:
    • On the seat-belts measure

    --Idaho has the lowest seat-belt fine in the country (next to NH, of course) yet for most of the duration of the spreadsheet, Idaho merely tied for 4th.

    • On the liquor law measure

    -- Idaho has the absolute most liberal direct-sale alcohol laws among our candidate states where most other states even impose a felony for the same.
    Idaho has the absolute lowest wine tax, the 3rd-lowest beer tax and no tax on liquor (where other states have very high taxes: Alaska has a tax of $12.80, the highest in the country).  Yet Idaho took 10th place among our candidate states!  Mostly because of state liquor stores (several other candidate states have these, and all but two are state-controlled distribution) and because Idaho does not pre-empt communities from passing Sunday purchase laws.

    • On homeschooling:

    Idaho actually allows the same freedom that 1st-place ranked Alaska does, yet the language of the Alaska law says so in many less words, so Alaska took first place on our spreadsheet. However, unlike Alaska, Idaho is the only state that allows parents to form homeschooling co-ops, to hire an unlicensed tutor, to form a private voluntary school without obtaining a license, to allow grandparents, neighbors, or anyone else to homeschool the children, also the only state that does not require notification to homeschool outside the home, and prohibits school officials from even speaking with homeschooled children.

    •  On several other measures, Idaho fares very well, but this information never made it into the official spreadsheet, and remains buried in this forum.  Nudity laws were one, (only the Northeastern states and Idaho fared very well there). Various licensing measures were others.
    I am not bitter about this, the few people who actually use the spreadsheets rarely base their opinion on it.  Most Montana fans claim that Montana is the most free state no matter how badly that state fares in the spreadsheet because bad laws aren't much enforced there, they say; the same has been said by many Alaska fans.
    I guess the only thing we do know is that once we have our chosen state, even the most strident fans will have to admit it wasn't really as good as they had hoped.  :o

    Re:  'statist immigration'

    I just don't understand some of these prejudices some people have.  Since Idaho is 8% hispanic and growing does not mean that Idaho is a lost cause!  Really?  Let's see: in Mexico, I can buy prescription drugs without a prescription, there are no overly-powerful neighborhood associations seeking to enforce unduly laws against my bright pink and green house or dead car in front, I could go to the beach and join tens of thousands of other hedonists from the U.S.  I can sell my labor on the street-corner without worry over OSHA, LRB, EEOC, or IRS getting down my case.   How statist is Mexico really?  Most of the problems in Mexico stem from policies by a socialist party that was recently voted-out of power, that and the U.S.-led Drug War.  Hmmm. . .

    If people come from statist places seeking refuge in less statist places, does that mean they come to corrupt the place?  Really?!~
    So, Chinese immigrants now settling in New Hampshire are seeking to install Communism?  Really?  

    History proves that a different dynamic actually takes place.  Gun-laws in this country came about during a time of increased immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, same with Prohibition.  What actually happens is that an anti-immigrant backlash creates an environment that elitists easily exploit: reference California.  There once was a time when the hispanic vote was divided between the parties, now it is 3:1 for the Democrats, even the most statist ones, thanks in large part to conservatives focusing against immigrants and not bad policies.
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