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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2002, 06:17:02 am »

After doing some exhaustive research on the Internet, I cannot find an authoritative- enough of a source to back-up that statement that Idaho has more millionaires per capita than any other state.  What I did find was interesting, however.

Idaho, Delaware, Wyoming and North Dakota all lay claim to the same fame , and they are all Free State Candidate states! The sources about North Dakota and Wyoming were the least authoritative.  At any rate, no matter which.

Though not anywhere near a millionaire myself, (I'm still more than a year away from attaining that lofty goal of zero financial net worth).  I admire anyone who makes money through hard work and exercises their talents with determination.  I became happy the day I realized that 'the world only owes me the right to my own life and nothing more, and even that right wasn't ever going to be just handed to me'   :)
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2002, 04:26:44 pm »

As state media coordinator for Idaho, I have been asked to post a list of Idaho Newspapers on this site for those who would like to use them to learn more about Idaho.

Boise: The Idaho Statesman
http://www.idahostatesman.com/

Nampa: Idaho Press-Tribune
http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/347/public/index.html

Pocatello: Idaho State Journal
http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/669/public/index.html

Idaho Falls: The Post Register
http://www.idahonews.com/

Boise Weekly
http://www.boiseweekly.com/

Idaho Observer
http://proliberty.com/observer/

Bonner County Daily Bee
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/

Blackfoot Morning News
http://www.am-news.com/

Challis: The Challis Messenger
http://www.challismessenger.com/

Coeur d'Alene: Coeur d'Alene Press
http://www.cdapress.com/

Hailey: Wood River Journal
http://www.wrjournal.com/

Island Park: Island Park News
http://www.islandparknews.com/

Ketchum/Sun Valley: Idaho Mountain Express
http://www.mtexpress.com/

Lewiston: Morning Tribune
http://www.lmtribune.com/

Saint Maries Gazette Record
http://www.stmariesidaho.com/

Twin Falls: The Times-News
http://www.magicvalley.com/home/

Montpelier: The News-Examiner
http://www.news-examiner.net/nex/index.cfm

Mountain Home News
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/

Moscow: Moscow-Pullman Daily
http://www.dnews.com/

Potlatch: LatahEagle
http://www.lataheagle.com/

Weiser: Weiser Signal American
http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~newsroom/
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2003, 04:45:57 pm »

Idaho Supreme Court

Article V, section 6, of the Idaho Constitution provides for a Supreme Court of 5 Justices, to be elected at large, for a six year term.

Here are excerpts from the prepared remarks of Idaho Supreme Court Chief Justice Linda Copple Trout given to the 57th Session of the Idaho Legislature on Tuesday, Jan. 7, 2003:

"We are accountable to you for our appropriation, but more importantly, we are accountable to you for the steps we have taken in the preceding year to make our court system responsive to the needs of the citizens of Idaho. This is even more critical at times like this when finances are stretched to the limit, and yet, at the same time, citizens demand that their cases be resolved quickly and efficiently, that criminals face immediate consequences and that courts provide leadership in addressing the larger issues challenging Idaho."


"I have spoken to you in the past about drug courts, and the successes we are seeing. We have drug courts operating in each of Idaho's seven judicial districts, with 30 total and 627 defendants under supervision statewide. These courts are generally the last alternative for criminal defendants who cannot or will not control their abuse of drugs. Drug use is so much a part of their daily existence, like eating a meal or watching television for us, that they simply cannot survive without the influence of illegal substances. They are defendants who, but for drug courts, would otherwise be housed in county jails and state penitentiary facilities for extended periods of time, at a tremendous financial cost to county and state government. At an estimated cost of $11.00 per day for drug court, it's not difficult to calculate the savings for those 627 people who are not incarcerated at a cost closer to $55.00 per day.
Every year I am so pleased and honored to be able to stand here before you and recount the many accomplishments of the judiciary in Idaho. Every year I have more examples of the new and innovative ways judges have found to address the myriad and seemingly insoluble problems coming before them, and I cannot thank the judges enough for their energy, enthusiasm, compassion and willingness to experiment and innovate. I also appreciate very much the support of Governor Kempthorne and all of you, because without that partnership between our three branches of government, these accomplishments would not be possible."

"Last year, I mentioned the drug court presided over by Seventh District Judge Brent Moss in Madison County. While he was seeing some successful graduates from his drug court, he was troubled by a few participants who were repeatedly on the brink of success and graduation, only to crash and fall back into their old habits of drug abuse. It became apparent that some drug court participants were not succeeding because they had far deeper problems than substance abuse: they were suffering from mental illness and were simply using the drugs to self-medicate in an effort to survive. When the drugs were removed, the mental illness became paramount and uncontrollable. After discussions and investigation, Idaho's first mental health court came into existence on Aug. 15, 2002. Mental health court is operated very much like a drug court, but the supervision is even more intensive for these criminal defendants diagnosed with severe and persistent mental illness. Participants are monitored daily, some several times a day, to make sure they are taking their medications, and are meeting the other requirements of the court: attending treatment, maintaining a job, locating stable housing, staying off illegal substances.

I attended a staffing and court session in December and two of the participants I saw that day had been unsuccessful participants in Judge Moss' drug court. Today, they are both living productive lives and are off illegal drugs."

"Also as a result of your legislative policy and appropriation to increase access to the courts, most of the counties are now served by a court assistance officer who can answer questions and make referrals for those people coming into the court system not represented by an attorney. In some counties now, up to one-half of the divorce and custody cases are being filed by litigants without an attorney, and an even higher percentage of those responding to the cases are not represented. Last year, over 23,000 people were served by these offices statewide, and at a time when people are losing jobs and facing mounting fiscal and emotional burdens, we are very pleased with the response to the Court Assistance offices and hope to maintain these critical services.

Significant progress has also been made in efficiently handling an increasing number of court cases through the use of senior judges. Over the last five years, we've seen a 60 percent increase in the number of felony drug cases filed and a 30 percent increase in civil case filings, and yet, during that same time period, no new judicial positions have been added. This would not have been possible without the extensive use of retired senior judges."

"Suffice it to say, the judicial system in Idaho is innovative and continues to seek out efficient and cost-effective ways to resolve cases fairly and efficiently and serve our citizens."

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http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/legislature/story.asp?ID=29965
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2003, 04:57:29 pm »

Oh my....

I'd love to hear what Thomas Szasz has to say about that.  "Mental health courts" indeed!
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2003, 01:20:03 pm »

Mental health courts are still something in the works in Idaho, not yet established or entrenched in the system.

I gleaned this statistic but lost the source:  "In 1997, the latest year for which statistics are available, [as of last year] Idaho ranked 47th lowest ($29.20 per capita) in per- capita spending on public mental health services.

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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2003, 01:21:26 pm »

More and other criteria to weigh [Idaho] with . . .

Idaho River Miles: 3,100 - (more than any other state)
Idaho 'capital' destinations:
Arco - First City Lit by Atomic Energy, July, 1955
Ashton - First Dog Sled Race in the Lower 48
Blackfoot - Potato Capital of the World
Buhl - Trout Capital of the World
Bruneau - Highest Sand Dunes in America
Coeur d'Alene - Idaho's All-American City
Hagerman - World's Oldest Horse Fossil
Hells Canyon - America's Deepest Gorge
Kooskia - Elk Capital of the World
Last Chance - Fly Fishing Capital
Pocatello- First domed college football stadium
Rigby- First cathode-ray tube that makes TV pictures possible invented.
Riggins & Salmon - Whitewater Capitals of the World
Sun Valley - America's First Ski Resort
Wallace & Kellogg- Largest Silver Mines in the U.S.

Highest elevation: 12,662 ft. (Mt. Borah)
Lowest elevation: 738 ft. (Lewiston)
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2003, 03:14:36 pm »

     After considering several things, including the history of U.S. politicians from Idaho, including Frank Church and George Hansen, I do not put much trust in changing things  at the political level, across an entire state, anywhere in this whole glorious country.

     Instead, I am going to focus on informing and inspiring the populace, aiding existing political movements, and working for liberty at the grass-roots level primarily.  This will have the advantage of challenging entrenched politicians to consider liberty and give potential candidates the necessary power and natural power to overcome statists.  I am going to be spending more time in the hallowed halls of churches, preaching liberty than at statehouses.  I am going to be spending more time and money inviting local newspaper writers to dinner or sending them flowers or donuts and letters, of course, than I am ever going to try to shmooze any politician.  I will do everything I can to audit classes at state universities and heckling the marxist professors and organizing college libertarians.  My wife is going to quit working  full-time when our children are older and she will homeschool and we will both organize and assist other homeschoolers.  I am going to create pro-liberty study guides with scripture references and quotes from the Founding Fathers,  in Spanish and English, tailored for Mormons, Catholics, Protestants and distribute them to churches.  My wife and I are going to continue the practice of not buying meat and become consumer- vegetarians, as we recently started doing here in California; whenever feasible, we will ride public transportation and build a home using alternative building materials, all so that we may gain more in-roads with that crowd (not as martyrs, so to speak, but in plans to save money) and be prepared so that whenever we may meet the more intelligent sub-set of leftists we may easily 'put a bug' in their ears.
 
That is just the beginning of my long plan and the essence of what I would hope will be the larger goal of fellow in-migrants to fulfill our "solemn intent to move to [ Idaho  ;) ] and. . .  exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.  
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2003, 05:09:11 pm »

This is wonderful and exactly what we hope people will do in the FS.

The FSP is not solely about electoral politics.  It's about education, cultural shift, etc., just as you described.

Would you be willing to write an essay on this which we could post to the website?
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« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2003, 05:23:04 pm »

Sounds good -- send it to me and Jason when you're done!
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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2003, 02:44:40 am »

exitus:

Now yer gonna make me work and write all that stuff down huh? ;-)

And for the record, though I've plugged DE some in recent conversations, I'm still definately in favor of Idaho.  Regardless of where we go, though, I agree that a change in heart among the people will be required to create and sustain long term liberty.

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(good to see you're holding the fort down ;)

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Re:Idaho Free State .com
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2003, 09:42:33 am »

Jason reports that a study of ‘citizen ideology’ ranks Idaho as more conservative than any of the other candidate states:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1213
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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2003, 04:03:47 pm »

Jason reports that a study of ‘citizen ideology’ ranks Idaho as more conservative than any of the other candidate states:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1213

For better or worse, the largest number of allies that libertarian and Jeffersonian- minded people have come from the ranks of those who call themselves conservatives, (like ditto-head Rush Limbaugh fans).  Idaho could be persuaded to attain the status of a free state if we could get all those Idaho conservatives to:

-Get- over Clinton and critically take a second- look at Bush.
-Rally behind the growing anti- tax political movement in Idaho
-Wake up more of the populace to the reality of those government- indoctrination centers called public schools and get more numbers into the many homeschool movements and various private schools in Idaho.
-Convince conservative Christians and others of faith to start peaceably living their lives and preaching by the power of the word of God that they claim to trust in, instead of trusting so much in the deadly force of law to convert others to their faith.

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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2003, 12:33:13 am »

The Cato Institute gives report card grades on how states respond to tax revenue shortfalls in our current recession.

TedApelt reports that Idaho gets a ‘C’

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1212
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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2003, 06:01:47 pm »

Since Idaho is one of the states I have considered voting for I thank all for the information.

One thing that I to find troubling is the amount of land owned by the Federal Government...Something like 65+% as I recall.

Seems to me owning that much of the state could give the Federal Government a tremendous amount of power over state affairs.

Would be interested in hearing the comments of those more framiliar with Idaho than I.
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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2003, 11:32:29 am »

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One thing that I to find troubling is the amount of land owned by the Federal Government...Something like 65+% as I recall.  

Seems to me owning that much of the state could give the Federal Government a tremendous amount of power over state affairs




The answer to your question as to whether the influence of the feds could have a "tremendous amount of power over state affairs" is both yes and no.  First, answer this:  How much is the life of a citizen in Delaware (which has the least area of fed-owned land) impacted by federal mandates as opposed to Nevada (the most fed land, 83%).  

Not much difference at all.  One still has to file with the IRS, and live his life obeying (directly and indirectly) all federal mandates   (If an endangered critter shows up on his own land, citizens in either state risk losing use of their land.  If a citizen from either state is horticulturally- incompetent, so doesn't recognize an outlawed weed growing on his property, he still is at risk of losing his land and his livelihood.  If a citizen in either state ignorantly shows up at the counter of a local post office asking for a box big enough to ship his jeweled lapis-lazuli antique hand-gun in the mail,  he is  likely going to face a S.W.A.T. team within 10 minutes).

Next, this issue of federal land ownership is a real political grievance.  Several states legislatures, including Idaho have worked vigorously, looking into the legal issues as to how the states could manage land currently under federal control.  The feds simply cite the U.S. constitution;  
Article IV, section 3, clause 2, the Property clause:
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The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

and Article VI, clause 2, the Supremacy clause:
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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

There is a matter of legally untested legislation passed by different states in the West which has been commonly called "the Sagebrush Rebellion" movement which holds that the land now in federal control was wrongfully withheld when those territories became states.  States have been timid in actually enforcing such legislation.

Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne, who is national president of the Council of State Governments and chairman of the Western States Governors Association has led the fight against federal encroachment of state sovereignty.  He has had the state of Idaho file numerous amicus curiea briefs to federal courts in matters of infringement on state sovereignty, wherever they have arisen.  Most notably, Idaho has led the urging of Alaska to appeal the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' adverse ruling against Alaska in John v. United States of America, which harms the right of states to manage their own waterways.


Read this article and consider whether or not Idaho has a true grieviance against the federal government in this issue of public lands:
 August 2001 Idaho Observer: The Big Lie: Federal ownership of public lands

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