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Where to locate in Wyoming
« on: May 12, 2003, 05:23:37 pm »

I was looking at the NHEN site:
http://www.nhen.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=393
which is the National Home Education Network. I looked at the anti-homeschooling bills introduced in the Wyoming legislature (I have no idea if these have any steam behind them). I found the legislators sponsoring these bills, and where they are from.

If you make the assumption that someone wanting to harm homeschooling is generally a statist, and would introduce other statist bills as well, these would be the districts we'd want to locate to, in order to oust these statists from the legislature.

There were 5 R's and 5 D's. Four were located in Cheyenne and around it. One in Casper and one in the county (Natrona) surrounding Casper. One in Gillette. One in Laramie. One in Park County (around Yellowstone, probably Cody). And one out in the middle of nowhere, eastern Sweetwater county.

The ringleaders seem to be one in Cheyenne, one in Casper, and one in Gillette.

So, confirming what WyomingRancher said, Cheyenne is the most important place to concentrate for us, and a lesser amount in Casper and Laramie. I was surprised to find none of these legislators in rich Teton county; one would normally expect elitist, anti-homeschooling sentiment from there, but there is obviously more to understand about this. I'd like to see what Wyomingites think of Teton county - where it is politically. It's important, because of all the money there.

OK, this is quite a stretch, just looking at this one issue. But it's a start.

I'd encourage others for the other states to try to give us a fix on where in the state it would be most helpful to concentrate. If we get a multi-state thing going here, I will change the title of the thread.

BTW, if we do have most of our folks down in that corner of the state, it obviously mitigates some of the job concerns, for reasons Keith (Freedom Road) has mentioned before. Oh, and being so close to the capital would obviously be very handy for us. We could get some good crowds out for work in the legislature.  :)
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2003, 03:14:28 am »

Hi Zxcv,

My Wyoming research is also plotting out somewhat similiar. Laramie is a college town, Cheyenne has both the seat of government and the AFB.

Cheyenne is similiar to Atlanta, Georgia in that the main city and state capitol are the same.  This is a great attribute for some, in particular, me!

Teton County is interesting.  This is where the high falutin' international financiers show up for meetings.  The current AAA map plots Jackson and Wilson, WY, along with Teton Village.  Yet, a 25 year old  Rand McNally atlas also plots Jackson Hole Winter Sports Area.  Also, Hwy 89-287 on the quarter century map is labeled "John D. Rockefeller Jr Mem Pkwy".

A few days ago, some posts discussed Wyoming in terms of bleak wilderness and the exact opposite of Avalon, Santa Catalina.  Maybe, just maybe, Wyoming is the best kept secret west of Washington, DC.

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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2003, 11:33:36 am »

I went to Joe's legislative report to get more info on these anti-homeschool clowns:
http://www.freestateproject.org/statelegs.htm

Here is what I got on their winning percentages:

The Apparent Ringleaders
Sessions (D) 100% - Cheyenne
Harshman (R) 62% - Casper
Wasserburger (R) 85% - Gillette

Other sponsors of these bills
Hinckley (R) 51% - Cheyenne
Reese (D) 55% - Cheyenne
Coe (R) 100% - Park Co.
Job (D) 56% - Sweetwater/Freemont Co.
Massie (D) 100% - Laramie
Mockler (D) 100% - Cheyenne & west
Scott (D) 65% - Natrona Co. around Casper

Of course most of them will probably be term-limited out by the time we get there.

We may have to run some FSP folks as D's in Cheyenne. That would be OK, even I would not have a problem with that. Hell, I was a D for 25 years...
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2003, 01:49:59 pm »

The Cheyenne/Laramie corridor (50 miles between the two cities) is a great area of emphasis in Wyoming.

As stated, Cheyenne is the state capital and a major source of the statist influence beginning to crop up in Wyoming, and it also happens to be the largest population center in the state, so there is more in the way of possible jobs and other opportunity there.  It's also a small enough area that even a few of us could have a very noticeable presence and potential impact.

The University of Wyoming at Laramie provides an excellent opportunity for us to reach out to college students with Jeffersonian thought.  If we are successful, they could be of great assistance in spreading these ideas throughout the rest of the state.  I believe many younger people have an underlying philosophy of life (live-and-let-live) that is favorable to us.  We could provide the political home that so many of them have been seeking (the GOP and Democrats expressing frustration that they have been unsuccessful in recruiting more youthful voters and activists).

The two cities are natural migration points due to their various features, so it would be simpler to get more people to move there, and they are close enough to one another to alleviate concerns about being so "spread out" that we could never get together.

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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2003, 03:17:19 pm »

Well, we'd still want some activism going on at the county levels, and even the smaller cities, so we do want some spread in the state.

Anyway, Cheyenne/Laramie is an obvious great location for our think tank, too.

The one thing that points toward Casper is the newspaper, the only statewide distribution. If we have any journalism or newspaper folks we ought to point them there...

Come on, NH guys, let's hear what you have in mind for an ideal distribution there!  I'm curious where I'd have to live.  :)
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2003, 10:03:35 pm »

Cheyenne especially provides access to Fort Collins, Boulder, and Denver -- good for folks who work in more specialized fields. I already foresee a business opportunity for the "Free State Shuttle" to ferry commuters down to those cities from Cheyenne. :)
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2003, 12:10:42 pm »

The one thing that points toward Casper is the newspaper, the only statewide distribution. If we have any journalism or newspaper folks we ought to point them there...


FYI I'm a former syndicated newspaper columnist still working as a consulting journalist, and have 640 acres of family land in Weston County, near Newcastle.

The following story from the Sunday edition of the Casper Star-Trib may be of interest to  you as well:

Free State Project comes to Wyoming
Casper [WY] Star-Tribune ^ | Sunday, May 18, 2003 | MATTHEW VAN DUSEN Star


Posted on 05/19/2003 10:40 AM MDT by archy


Free State Project comes to Wyoming


By MATTHEW VAN DUSEN Star-Tribune staff writer


One might compare the dining room of the Szechwan Chinese Restaurant in Casper where Libertarians met to discuss the Free State Project Saturday, to the reading room of the British Museum where Karl Marx wrote Das Kapital.

In both places, political thinkers were trying to find a different way to govern people. Still, it's best not to mention Marx around adherents of the Free State Project.

The project, devised by Yale doctoral student Jason Sorens, aims to have 20,000 liberty-minded people move into a sparsely populated state and renounce big government through incremental political action. The group rejects violence as a means of change.

Debra Ricketts, a project board member, met with a group of about 15 Libertarians, including former gubernatorial candidate Dave Dawson, to talk about the project Saturday in the dim light of the restaurant.

Project leaders have identified Wyoming as a potential candidate because of its low population and libertarian sympathies. The project is not formally affiliated with the Libertarians, but the groups share similar interests.

Ricketts said that among those who have signed on with the project, "Wyoming certainly seems to be one of the front runners. It gets a lot of talk." New Hampshire is also high on the list.

Dawson said he had seen ideas like this before, but "this is the first one I've seen that is well organized and actually has legs."

The plan, however, has lots of foggy bits.

How, for example, will an economy the size of Wyoming's absorb 20,000 people, most of whom are not oil and gas workers, over five years?

Ricketts, a technology worker in Las Vegas, said some members are already looking at the job markets, and many of them are entrepreneurs. Those already in the state could ease the transition for others who would follow.

Once people get here, the blueprint for change remains unclear. Ricketts was not troubled by that, saying the project's goal is to get 20,000 people into a state and the rest comes later.

Movement leader Sorens had put some thought into the matter.

Based on a rough analogy to the sovereigntist movement in Quebec, Sorens calculated that 20,000 people, half of the paid membership of the United States Libertarian Party, could exert up to 62 times that much voting influence. Sixty-two times 20,000 equals 1.24 million, more than double the population of Wyoming. The 20,000 activists could mobilize much of a state's population and win government majorities, Sorens believes.

The group would then roll back gun and drug laws, privatize utilities and limit the government to securing the freedoms laid out in the Bill of Rights.

Project supporters reject the idea the end of big government would lead to a cruel society without programs to support the poor or elderly.

"I would rather fall through the cracks than be pounded through collander," said Wyoming Libertarian Party chairman Dennis Brossman.

Carol Ann Remington of Missouri was so eager to get the project started she has even dropped off a few job applications while in Casper.

"This is not a whim and a fancy," she said.

But mobilizing 5,000 members by September 2004, and 20,000 by September 2006, as is Sorens' plan, will not be easy.

The frequently-asked-questions section on the Free State Project Web site, reads, "I am interested in joining the FSP, but I wouldn't be willing to move to a place like Wyoming or Alaska. What do I do?"


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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2003, 01:43:12 am »

The frequently-asked-questions section on the Free State Project Web site, reads, "I am interested in joining the FSP, but I wouldn't be willing to move to a place like Wyoming or Alaska. What do I do?"

Maybe we should think about changing this statement to read: "I am interested in joining the FSP, but I wouldn't be willing to move to certain states.  What do I do?"

I'm sure people in Wyoming and Alaska wouldn't be too thrilled with the idea that their states are being used as examples of nasty places to live.  I realize that this is not the intention behind the statement (it merely identifies states that some people perceive as being nasty places to live, for the purposes of example), but it's not that great a statement from the PR aspect.

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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2003, 11:26:59 am »

Yeah, I went ahead and changed it after I read the article.  I didn't realize anyone would take it as anything other than an example.
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2003, 01:06:39 pm »

   I've been checking out houses in my price range <175,000. There are plenty of such properties around Cody. After checking out as many areas as I could it would seem to me that this is the area I'd locate to. I will subscribe to the sunday paper from there within a few days.
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2003, 12:04:29 pm »

  I've been checking out houses in my price range <175,000. There are plenty of such properties around Cody. After checking out as many areas as I could it would seem to me that this is the area I'd locate to. I will subscribe to the sunday paper from there within a few days.

You should be able to find houses in safe areas in all parts of Wyoming except Teton County for $75,000.  Maybe you would want to invest that other $100,000 or something.  That might give you an extra income source.

I have also looked in the Cody area.  It seems like a great area.  It is a center of tourism and has 100,000s and 100,000s of annual tourists that at least drive by it and stop for gas or something.  It has amazing outdoor activities from several annual motor-rallies to some of the best ice climbing in America.  Rodeos and wildwest gun fights are common.  

Of course, it has many other great qualities.  It is very close to Yellowstone/Grand Teton and the Bighorn mountains.  The fishing is unlimited and the hunting is great.  Cody is very close to MT and Billings, MT so a good sized metro area and sales tax-free shopping is not far.  Cody even has a decent airport, as do the near-by towns of Jackson, WY and Billings, MT.

Even the weather is not bad.  Cody is warmer than most of the places FSP members are looking at (in any of the 10 states) and parts of Park County get very little snow.  One possible concern about Cody is its wind.  The town is windy, not like Casper or anything.  Cody might compare to Billings, MT when it comes to wind.  So, as long as you can look past the tons of summer tourists and the wind, you should enjoy living in one of the most exciting and beautiful places in America.

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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2003, 12:46:20 pm »

Well, we'd still want some activism going on at the county levels, and even the smaller cities, so we do want some spread in the state.

Anyway, Cheyenne/Laramie is an obvious great location for our think tank, too.

The one thing that points toward Casper is the newspaper, the only statewide distribution. If we have any journalism or newspaper folks we ought to point them there...

Come on, NH guys, let's hear what you have in mind for an ideal distribution there!  I'm curious where I'd have to live.  :)

People are willing to drive to Casper from all over Wyoming.  Casper is the major town for much of Wyoming.  Clearly, it would be a great center location.  In fact, I-25 runs straight through Wyoming and goes right though Casper.  I-25 connects Billings, MT with Sheridan, Buffalo, Casper, Wheatland, and Cheyenne, Wyoming, and with Ft. Collins, Boulder, and Denver, CO.  

Several major Wyoming state highways also pass though Casper.  Casper is only 3 1/2 hours from Cheyenne and Laramie, and only 5 hours from Denver, CO.  In Casper, a FSP member is never too far from other major concentrations of FSP or a very large MSA.  Even the tourism Mecca of the Black Hills is only 5 hours from Casper.  For those unfamiliar with the Black Hills of WY/SD, they have: five national parks, ski resorts, snowmobile resorts, several casinos, world famous rock climbing, and the world’s most famous motorcycle rally.

Casper makes as a very center Wyoming area.  It makes a great spot for Saturday meetings as it is just a few hours drive from most of Wyoming's population.  The Wyoming LP seems to think Casper makes a great center location, as both the recent WYLP meeting and the WY FSP meetings were held in Casper.

As far as recreation, Casper, like all of Wyoming, has tons of opportunities.  Casper has a ski resort 10 miles from town and some of the best outdoors life in the country with plenty of tennis, golf, hiking, cycling, swimming, canoeing, water skiing, camping, boating, fishing, hunting, climbing, snowshoeing, and snowmobiling for the whole family.  Casper even boasts both a pro-baseball and a pro-football team.  

It has a decent airport, a nice small and lots of other shopping opportunities.  Casper does not have as many big city stores as Cheyenne but it still has enough to make anyone happy; for example: Wal-Mart Supercenter, Sam’s Club, Target, Sears, JCPenny, Home Depot, Old Navy, Zales, and Radio Shack.  A multitude of cultural offerings abound in Casper including the Wyoming Symphony Orchestra, Nicolaysen Art Museum, Casper Planetarium, Fort Casper Museum, Tate Geological Museum, Stage III Community Theater and Gertrude Krampert Theater.  

People moving to Casper need to be aware of two concerns.  Casper gets lots of snow and only the city roads are plowed.  Casper is one of the windiest cities in Wyoming.  Many parts of Wyoming have very little wind, but Casper is one of those places with lots of wind.  So, as far as winter driving is concerned, most people will not be willing to live even 20 miles from Casper and drive to Casper for work.  Where I live, this is not a problem.  In Cheyenne, it is not a problem, either, but in Casper it is.  The snow and wind combine to cause this problem.  So, as far as Casper is concerned, you either have to live in it, or in one of the several small towns right next to it, if you want to work there in the winter.


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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2003, 02:43:06 pm »

Hi all,

I've been working the same question in my mind ref relocating and where "chapters" would spring up.

Some thoughts;

A strategic view would be to groom someone for an office requiring a move to Washington, DC. A PhD professor teaching full time would have a lowest common denominator of Laramie as residence.

To be near a VA medical Center requires Cheyenne or Sheridan (I-90 enroute to Billings).

Those planning to enter the hospitality field (eg resorts, hotels) gets map tacks at the many sites, with a cluster in the NW section.

Similiar for the mining/engineering profession; the sites determine the relocation.  

For those looking at governmental functions; the capitol and largest city is Cheyenne. (A little too close to Denver, though.)

MISC;  It's 24 May, so congratulations, Jason for earning the PhD.

"Where one can live, one can live well."

Moving to Washington, D.C. completes one of the position planks of some of you guys; The Rayburn House Office Building is a brothol.  

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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2003, 06:27:30 pm »



To be near a VA medical Center requires Cheyenne or Sheridan (I-90 enroute to Billings).


There are also outpatient clinics in the following locations:

Casper: Casper Outpatient Clinic
Gillette: Gillette Outpatient Clinic
Green River: Green River Outpatient Clinic/Castle Rock Medical Center
Newcastle: Newcastle VA Clinic
Powell: Powell Clinic
Riverton: Riverton Outpatient Clinic

Good enough for those like me, with conditions that require monitoring but not constant treatment.
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Re:Where to locate in Wyoming
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2003, 02:19:36 am »

Hi Mountain Troll,

Good point, Mountain.

This is an ideal time to amplify on a recent post of mine I titled "mechanical applications".

I mentioned if and when I relocate, I'd transfer my membership in my clubs/organizations to my new home.

To preclude me ever being charged as a carpetbagger, which I'm not, certain actions must be done such as being active in the several organizations I'm already active in.

Would it not be great if any new members I sign up for membership in DAV, that with the concurrence of the new member, they get listed and carried on the rolls of the Wyoming chapter?!  The current DAV Chapter listing is at Rock Springs, WY, on I-80 two thirds of the way to Salt Lake City.  Probably, VAMC Cheyenne holds the cluster of members.

It's one thing to refute charges of an outsider comin' in with all the answers and no solutions... It's a better refutation if a long time local says Mountain and Bob are as much a part of Wyoming as the earlier RR workers from Moline, Illinois.

I forgot to mention something like this to Karl in my earlier post this AM ref the University.  It's a must do on the list, to affiliate with the programs.

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