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Bighug

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Free-State Criteria
« on: February 27, 2009, 02:42:30 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 02:45:48 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion?

Without knowing what study they were referencing, it's hard to tell how things were calculated.

There's a fair chance that they were referencing the study linked at the top of this page.

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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 02:59:58 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 

Hi - I'm one of the authors of the study, which you can find in full here:
http://www.statepolicyindex.com/?page_id=143

In general, we're defining freedom as "the ability to dispose of one’s own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on other individuals’ ability to do the same." Gun control, for instance, would be an infringement on individual freedom.

If you have any other questions, feel free to post them or contact me privately.
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 03:18:38 pm »

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In general, we're defining freedom as "the ability to dispose of one’s own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on other individuals’ ability to do the same." Gun control, for instance, would be an infringement on individual freedom.
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The problem is what " justly acquired property" means.
For me that means so-called death taxes are not justly acquired.
Most of the people here though wouldn't tax that.
Similar with stock prices increases.
That "discriminates" toward the richer people.
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 12:45:23 am »

To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 

I think there's a big conceptual difference there.

In the first, he is only asking that he be allowed to do something that harms no one.

In the second, he is asking that other people--who have harmed no one--be harmed so that he can be free from worry.

The latter person is dangerously ignorant (or just irresponsible, or both). No government regulation can free you of a condition--fear--that exists in your mind. But, rather than confront that fear by educating himself, taking precautions, planning for the possible outcomes, learning to defend himself, and minimizing risks--he would ask other people to work violence on his behalf upon people who have harmed no one.

What I think that a great deal of history supports, when people seek their internal freedom from fear by asking government to initiate violence, those people only exchange a freedom from coercion for a freedom from fear. But governments are often controlled by ambitious men; "Why should the powerful respect the weak?" Very soon, the people end up with neither freedom.
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 02:40:29 pm »

Hey here is a thread made JUST FOR WENDELLBERRY and anyone that wants to discuss his Lockean/Economic Rent/Mutualism theory! - http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17075.msg205272#new
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 03:39:46 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 

Hey WendellBerry! THIS above is what this thread is about. Stop hijacking it with arguing about mutualist philosophy and go to your own thread that I posted the link to!
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 04:18:22 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 

Hey WendellBerry! THIS above is what this thread is about. Stop hijacking it with arguing about mutualist philosophy and go to your own thread that I posted the link to!

Sorry, I know I'm encouraging him.  I think I'm just about finished...I'll call it a day after another response or two.  If the moderator wants to move our debate, I certainly wouldn't mind.
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 05:40:15 pm »

<Pontius_Pilate>Washes hands of it</Pontius_Pilate>  ::)
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 05:52:53 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 

Hey WendellBerry! THIS above is what this thread is about. Stop hijacking it with arguing about mutualist philosophy and go to your own thread that I posted the link to!

I split those replies off and merged them with the economic rent thread in the political discussion section.
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Re: Free-State Criteria
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 05:57:32 pm »

Today I read an article in the Baton Rouge paper about rating states according to how free they are.  Louisiana ranked very low, which doesn't surprise me, but to put it in perspective I would have to know the basis of the ratings.  The article uses only general descriptions, such as "gun control."  To some, freedom is being able to own a gun, but to others it may mean freedom from worry about someone else owning one.  Is there a website I can go to that describes each criterion? 

Hey WendellBerry! THIS above is what this thread is about. Stop hijacking it with arguing about mutualist philosophy and go to your own thread that I posted the link to!

I split those replies off and merged them with the economic rent thread in the political discussion section.

Thanks!  Sorry for the mess.   :P
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