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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 08:44:24 am »

Hearing March 3rd Rm. 202 LOB 11am.
That bill is the House Ways & Means Committee. The only pertinent testimony there will be testimony about whether the bill will GAIN the state money, or COST the state money.

I can tell you one thing -- if a bunch of people come to that hearing, and politely, calmly inform the committee that they are willing to be imprisoned over this unjust law -- that may be the most effective way to help kill this bill at this point.

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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2009, 07:50:34 am »

Did this become law in NH or not? I've pledged to move from Australia and I don't to move to anywhere as bad as where I currently live.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2009, 09:44:10 am »

It passed the NH state house but is really finished with the state house yet. It still has to pass the state senate.

BTW, if you look at the laws, I'm sure you will find that NH is much freer than Australia.  The US tends to be a little more free than Australia and New Hampshire is the freest state in the US.  I know the freedom of speech and gun laws are like night and day when you compare the US and Australia, for example.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2009, 10:05:37 am »

Oops, didn’t realize there was a thread about this over here. Here are some updates:—

WSJ article on page A1 a couple days ago:—
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/index.php?topic=2066.0

The final House hearing is this afternoon at 15:00. It’s going before Ways & Means for them to decide how much the fine should be. If you haven’t already signed the pledge I set up, and want to, don’t forget to do so before this afternoon:—
http://www.pledgebank.com/NH-HB383 (password is Kelly)
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2009, 05:11:24 pm »

Presented the petition at the Committee meeting today. Have a total of 22 signers now. (Four signed in person at the hearing.) No questions from the Committee, other than a comment from Almy that the counties pay for prison costs, not the State. Jesse said he heard Jordan Ulery and Crate (the cop that’s always at the State House) making fun of us outside the hearing room after I testified.

Got an interesting statistic from Bob H. that court costs are approximately $100/hour, according to 2002 figures. It’s probably $150 or more now, seven years later.
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Update: this bill is almost dead.  The Senate voted 14-10 against the committee's "Ought to Pass" recommendation.  The bill's sponsor then motioned that the bill be tabled and that passed 13-11.  When a bill is tabled, that means that it will die June 4 of this year, but can be brought back up by a majority vote.  Ergo, it's not dead yet, but it almost is (don't you wish you were here to help put the nail in the coffin?  Winning is fun, in case you've never experienced it  :)). 

There are two alternative theories for why the sponsor motioned to table this bill.  First, a motion to table is voted on without debate so it is a quick way to put the issue to bed and move on.  Second, she may be trying to twist enough arms to pick up the three votes she needs so she can bring it back up.  That's an uphill battle for her, but we are still fighting tooth and nail every step of the way. 

With enough work, we will pick up enough seats in the House in 2010 to make seat belts a non-issue again, just like they were for the last 20 years.
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They used to laugh in the State House when they tried to pull this seatbelt bill stuff.  Now it's a fight.  A few bad reps voted out in November goes a long way to making a legislative session more manageable--especially if Reps and Senators realize that they'll face stiff opposition next time for a bad voting record this time.
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They used to laugh in the State House when they tried to pull this seatbelt bill stuff.  Now it's a fight.

That's only because the Dems got control because of a backlash against Bush.  When things get back to normal, it'll be a dead issue again.

This was the anti-freedom people's best shot at passing a seat belt bill in 20 years and it looks like they probably failed.
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I never vote D or R.  Whoever shows the best voting record gets my vote.  If someone keeps voting statist, I start doing lit drops, donations, letters to the editor, phone calls, yard signs, poll standing...
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They used to laugh in the State House when they tried to pull this seatbelt bill stuff.

that sounds beautiful.
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Oops, didn’t realize there was a thread about this over here. Here are some updates:—
you posted on the first page  ;D
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Update: this bill is almost dead.  The Senate voted 14-10 against the committee's "Ought to Pass" recommendation.  The bill's sponsor then motioned that the bill be tabled and that passed 13-11.  When a bill is tabled, that means that it will die June 4 of this year, but can be brought back up by a majority vote.  Ergo, it's not dead yet, but it almost is (don't you wish you were here to help put the nail in the coffin?  Winning is fun, in case you've never experienced it  :)). 

There are two alternative theories for why the sponsor motioned to table this bill.  First, a motion to table is voted on without debate so it is a quick way to put the issue to bed and move on.  Second, she may be trying to twist enough arms to pick up the three votes she needs so she can bring it back up.  That's an uphill battle for her, but we are still fighting tooth and nail every step of the way. 

With enough work, we will pick up enough seats in the House in 2010 to make seat belts a non-issue again, just like they were for the last 20 years.

Thanks for the update.
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There are two alternative theories for why the sponsor motioned to table this bill.  First, a motion to table is voted on without debate so it is a quick way to put the issue to bed and move on.  Second, she may be trying to twist enough arms to pick up the three votes she needs so she can bring it back up.  That's an uphill battle for her, but we are still fighting tooth and nail every step of the way. 

Apparently there is also a third theory - my theory.  The sponsors and the people likely in support of the bill voted to table it.  It looks like the bill has enough votes in the Senate.  Maybe they don't have enough votes and need one more.  The reason the bill was tabled even if the bill has enough votes to pass may have something to do with the Governor not being on board. 

The sponsors of the bill have enough votes to bring it back and may have enough votes to pass it.  I wouldn't say this bill is almost dead.  It is still very much in play. 
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And, for anyone watching this thread, the bill is dead for the year.
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