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http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2009/02/18/nh_house_passes_mandatory_seat_belt_bill/

CONCORD, N.H.—The New Hampshire House has voted in favor of a bill to make the Granite State the last U.S. jurisdiction to require all drivers and passengers to wear seat belts.

Under current law, only minors have to buckle up. The bill calls for a primary law, meaning police can pull over motorists solely for not wearing seat belts. Twenty-five states have primary laws, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

New Hampshire would receive $3.7 million in federal grants if it passes a primary law. The bill applies to all vehicles except large school buses, cars made before 1968 and vehicles making frequent stops for business purposes. Violators would face a $50 fine for the first offense and a $100 fine for each additional offense.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 06:27:55 pm »

If they are concerned about safety, why the fines?

What can we do to cost the state the filthy 3.8 million?
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 06:57:52 pm »

EDIT: I screwed up my facts.  Rechecking them now...

OK, this post used to assert that even Joel Winters voted for the amended bill.  I based this on the fact that I was concurrently searching on the gencourt website for vote results for all seven or eight of the Gold Standard votes from today.  Apparently something about the state of one query gets carried to other simultaneous queries (I haven't looked, maybe it uses cookies or sessions poorly, not really the point)... and the bottom line was when I thought I was looking at results for HB383 (seat belt ban bill) I was actually looking at HB276 (voter fraud entitlement bill).

So, no, Joel didn't vote for it, the correct list of people who did can be found at http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/Roll_Calls/rc_yeahnay.aspx?yn=1&sy=2009&vs=24&lb=H&eb=HB0383&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2009&txtbillnumber=HB383&ddlsponsors=&lsr=776

Still sucks that Joel voted for 276, though.  Oh well.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 07:01:18 pm »

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New Hampshire would receive $3.7 million in federal grants if it passes a primary law.

There will be a day, hopefully SOON, when the media begins reporting "The House predicts that in addition to $3.7 million in Federal Grants, counties across the state will spend much, much more attempting to prosecute people who refuse to comply with the law or pay fines as a result of ignoring it."
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 07:09:57 pm »


What can we do to cost the state the filthy 3.8 million?

Fighting each and every ticket in court should do it.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 07:43:06 pm »


What can we do to cost the state the filthy 3.8 million?

Fighting each and every ticket in court should do it.
and then not paying the fine

i wonder if they will actually pull people over for it .... I never got pulled over in california for not wearing a seatbelt
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 07:53:30 pm »

This same bill passed the house and died in the senate last time.  The battle's not done yet. 
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 09:09:47 pm »

Close vote. Did all of the Democratic House leadership vote for it? Norelli didn't vote - is that normal?
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 12:43:11 am »

I based this on the fact that I was concurrently searching on the gencourt website for vote results for all seven or eight of the Gold Standard votes from today.

I’ve been posting the vote results to the respective Gold Standard posts on the NHLA site, so people don’t need to use the State’s awful website. Here’s this week’s:—

http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/index.php?topic=1909.msg14638#msg14638
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 04:09:27 pm »

I've been hearing about this. It comes up over, and over, and over, and less people each time get all fired up over it since they're just plain tired of the issue, so eventually it passes the House. Next, Senate.

It reminds me of the vote for Ireland to join the EU:

The vote came up, was throughly trounced. It came up again, was trounced again. And again, but by a slightly smaller margin. And again, and again, and finally passed.

Of course, once passed, the issue is NEVER brought up for a vote again.

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I'm looking forward to the day when laws get repealed this way, that those who demand control over other people's lives finally have to give up from exhaustion.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 07:38:43 pm »

Of course, once passed, the issue is NEVER brought up for a vote again.

Won’t happen here. If it ever does pass, there are enough libertarians in the House who will keep trying to repeal it until that bill passes.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2009, 09:55:39 pm »

This one really bothers me. For one thing, it's a big selling point for NH to be the only state without mandatory seat belt and insurance laws. People have a hard time believing it. Like the cop from Chicago when I told him we open carry. Total disbelief.

On a personal note, two days before heading here we got pulled over. Not for breaking a traffic code or any such thing, just a cop randomly running license plates. It turned out our was suspended. Why? Well the law requires an insurance company to notify DMV when someone cancels their insurance. Of course there is no law requiring them to notify DMV when you get a new policy so... when we switched carriers, the old one notified DMV and the new one didn't so even though there was never a lapse in coverage, our plates ended up suspended for no insurance.

So the cops asks me (the passenger) for id and of course I refuse. He's a little confused at first but quickly regains his composure and calls for back up. Then of course there's the step out of the car Terry pat followed by the usual retarded questions. Bottom line; even though there is no law that requires me to carry id or show it to him, they never let a little thing like the law stand it their way.

He claims that I wasn't wearing my seat belt. He can see this in the dark through tinted windows! Since I wasn't wearing a seat belt, he's going to write me a citation. Since it's a violation of the motor vehicle code, now I do have to show id and if I don't he'll arrest me.

Then it's off to the hoosegow for me where he rifles through my wallet and wonders out loud why, since I have no outstanding warrants, I wouldn't just show him the id to begin with. The rest is irrelevant but the point is, this is the kind of crap we can expect to come of this law.

I plan to contact every single senator personally and I hope everyone jumps on board with this issue. It would be a shame to be seen as losing ground here.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2009, 10:51:43 pm »

I dunno, it involves federal monies and it just seems like once it gets its grease on the books, well, you can't wash that off.
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Re: NH House Passes Seat Belt Law - (Primary Law: Police can pull you over)
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 10:42:04 am »

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