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joeyforpresident

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No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« on: February 06, 2009, 11:49:20 am »

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No offense, but anarchy is something I’m not into, judging from the news yesterday that two Free State Project/NH Underground activists were arrested for not taking off their hats in a courtroom.

Granted, the matter opens up discussion for what is proper courtroom decorum, but come on, is that really what this FSP thing is all about? What does being jailed prove to anything or anyone? Refusing to pay taxes is revolutionary. Going to jail for not taking off your hat is just dumb.

That’s just my view though.

Oh, and I joined the Pemi-Valley Baker Republican Party yesterday. Should be great fun for our open U.S. Senate seat next year and the open U.S. House seat.
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 12:20:51 pm »

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Granted, the matter opens up discussion for what is proper courtroom decorum, but come on, is that really what this FSP thing is all about? What does being jailed prove to anything or anyone? Refusing to pay taxes is revolutionary. Going to jail for not taking off your hat is just dumb.

Haven't you heard that paying tax is not only revolutionary, but also optional? Geithner, Daschle, Kiff-whoever that girl name is. Oh wait... only if you have proper channel in Washington.
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freedomroad

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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 01:28:03 pm »

They were not arrested for not removing their hats in the courtroom, from what I heard.  Maybe your facts are wrong?

Also, saying no offense doesn't eliminate the chance of offending someone when you say a courtroom stunt was dumb.  From what I understand, Charlie wasn't even in the courtroom, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Also, no, this is not what the FSP is about.  The FSP is about getting liberty activists to move to NH and I'm pretty sure you already know that.  Please stop trying to change the mission of the FSP.
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 01:28:13 pm »

I predict a lot of people will completely miss the point just as you did, but that's why we need to have discussions about it. The act itself merely inspires and draws attention to such discussions. Is it silly to disobey a minor rule about clothing? Perhaps. But it's downright obscene the amount of violence they're willing to use to enforce such a silly rule.

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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 01:57:14 pm »

But it's downright obscene the amount of violence they're willing to use to enforce such a silly rule.

Exactly.

Which is why Gandhi's most famous act of civil disobedience was to harvest some salt.

Say someone decides to wave pounds of drugs around on the steps of the state house, or somesuch.  A well-meaning fool might believe all the propaganda, and really and truly believe that drugs are a menace.  And, as a result, not be moved when the cops show up and do what they do.

But if that same individual shows up and waves around some minuscule amount of drugs, it's rather hard for the well-meaning fool to say that something dangerous was occurring.

Same if someone violates some stupid, petty rule about dress code.

Showing that the system is violent doesn't accomplish much - everyone knows that the system is violent, on some level.  Showing that the system will use violence over trivial matters is key to demonstrating how utterly corrupt Statism actually is, to a public which is largely composed of "well-meaning fools."

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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 08:50:43 pm »

What's dumb is to sit and do nothing in the face of tyranny.
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 09:20:57 pm »

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Which is why Gandhi's most famous act of civil disobedience was to harvest some salt.

Are you trying to compare the hat incident to the significance of the salt tax in Gandhi's India? Salt is necessary for everyone's diet, especially the poor because they did not have access to the variety of food containing similar necessary nutrients for the better off. Salt is freely accessible from the ocean for anyone to take without harming anyone else.

He purposely broke the law and he and others willingly suffered the consequences to draw attention for his appeal to simple justice for millions.
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 09:28:37 pm »

Getting your self locked up for not taking off your hat is not especially dumb or brave. doing it while the elitist politicians are picking your pockets for trillions of dollars and thinking you are standing up for liberty ? THAT'S DUMB. While the 2nd amendment is being trampled across the nation you think you are doing something for "liberty" by ignoring a centuries old custom of decorum ? While the socialists in power talk about squelching the 1st amendment with the " fairness doctrine" you think being rude makes you some sort of activist?
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 10:23:18 pm »

Getting your self locked up for not taking off your hat is not especially dumb or brave. doing it while the elitist politicians are picking your pockets for trillions of dollars and thinking you are standing up for liberty ? THAT'S DUMB. While the 2nd amendment is being trampled across the nation you think you are doing something for "liberty" by ignoring a centuries old custom of decorum ? While the socialists in power talk about squelching the 1st amendment with the " fairness doctrine" you think being rude makes you some sort of activist?

So show us what you've done, and maybe we'll all profit from your superior example.
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 10:27:55 pm »

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Which is why Gandhi's most famous act of civil disobedience was to harvest some salt.
Are you trying to compare the hat incident to the significance of the salt tax in Gandhi's India? Salt is necessary for everyone's diet, especially the poor because they did not have access to the variety of food containing similar necessary nutrients for the better off. Salt is freely accessible from the ocean for anyone to take without harming anyone else.

He purposely broke the law and he and others willingly suffered the consequences to draw attention for his appeal to simple justice for millions.

And...?  How many millions are oppressed by the courts?  Because folks think they need to bow down before any stupid rule the judges decree.

Getting your self locked up for not taking off your hat is not especially dumb or brave. doing it while the elitist politicians are picking your pockets for trillions of dollars and thinking you are standing up for liberty ? THAT'S DUMB. While the 2nd amendment is being trampled across the nation you think you are doing something for "liberty" by ignoring a centuries old custom of decorum ? While the socialists in power talk about squelching the 1st amendment with the " fairness doctrine" you think being rude makes you some sort of activist?

And why, pray tell, have they gotten away with those travesties?

Because folks respect their rule as a matter of custom.  Ignoring and disobeying those customs is inherent to ending their arbitrary power.

Or would you rather we start executing judges?  Personally, I still hope for a peaceful solution, but maybe that's just me...

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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 12:46:40 am »

So many people have missed the point that you probably have enough to build a squad of arrow-dodging ninjas.

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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 01:06:59 am »

What is the FSP about for you, Joey?  Voting Republican is going to make us all free?  If we vote you King, will you be our benevolent dictator?

Good points, MaineShark, Dalebert, Peacemaker, Keith&Stuff.
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2009, 02:22:57 am »

Is it silly to disobey a minor rule about clothing? Perhaps. But it's downright obscene the amount of violence they're willing to use to enforce such a silly rule.

Is there such a rule?
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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 07:05:13 am »

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How many millions are oppressed by the courts?

For wanting to wear hats in public buildings (court rooms)?

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Because folks think they need to bow down before any stupid rule the judges decree.
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Because folks respect their rule as a matter of custom.  Ignoring and disobeying those customs is inherent to ending their arbitrary power.
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Is there such a rule?

Anybody know?



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Re: No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2009, 07:56:23 am »

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/dmcr/dmcr-1_4.htm

District Court Rules: #10  Appropriate dress is required.

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