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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 03:53:15 pm »

We have quite a few movers from CA, many of whom are 20 or younger.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2009, 02:33:02 am »

I personally like to know why P.R was never considered. It's warmer, has the same population as N.H, needs no passport and most importantly has the ability to become it's own nation. You would also never have to spend money on a military since you are next to the U.S and it already more independent from the U.S than any state at the moment. I do see language and poor economy as a problem.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2009, 03:00:00 am »

Puerto Rico would be so awesome. I agree it should have been considered, the only problem is it already has 4 million people. How about Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands. I have heard that Guam is awesome, plus it has less than 200k people. I think the economy would be the main issue, although it is one of the top destinations for Japanese tourists. It has beautiful weather and nightlife, plus great locals.

Dang, we need to get something like this started. Think of how awesome it would be to have an island full of free-staters.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2009, 03:32:10 am »

Dang, we need to get something like this started. Think of how awesome it would be to have an island full of free-staters.

Somehow I'm sure that once the talk ended and the time for action began, no island of free staters would materialize.  You'd hear complaints of distance from family, differences in culture, language, a lack of understanding of liberty in general, etc. 
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 05:02:19 am »

It could happen, but then they would be free country-ers not free staters.
You guys must be on the wrong website. This project was started as an idea to choose one state ... then move there, then create a freer society. We have already been through step one and are starting step 2 and 3. This might not be the project for you.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 01:59:27 pm »

I have briefly read through the comments on this and a few other discussions, and have some concerns regarding the validity of New Hampshire as your chosen state.  First, why 20000 people?  That seems too few.  20000 people would be spread relatively thin across a state with 147people/mile^2.  Second, being an engineer, I would worry about finding work in the densely populated northeast.  Finally, reading over the other possibilities for state choices, I couldn't help but notice the lack of understanding of the Midwest flyover states (e.g. Kansas, Nebraska, I think South and North Dakota were mentioned but I'm not sure).  These states have untapped potential that no (here) one seems to understand.  While it would be amazing to live in an actual free state, I fail to see why N.H. would be ideal. 
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2009, 03:09:49 pm »

I have briefly read through the comments on this and a few other discussions, and have some concerns regarding the validity of New Hampshire as your chosen state.  First, why 20000 people?  That seems too few.  20000 people would be spread relatively thin across a state with 147people/mile^2.  Second, being an engineer, I would worry about finding work in the densely populated northeast.  Finally, reading over the other possibilities for state choices, I couldn't help but notice the lack of understanding of the Midwest flyover states (e.g. Kansas, Nebraska, I think South and North Dakota were mentioned but I'm not sure).  These states have untapped potential that no (here) one seems to understand.  While it would be amazing to live in an actual free state, I fail to see why N.H. would be ideal. 
There are dozens of dozens of pages about.
However:
NH is not that densly populated
There are jobs in NH
Being able to drive to support each other... can't do that in the SD or ND.
The makeup of the NH government
no general sales tax
no income tax


20K was a guestimate but I am going to say we don't need even that many.
kansas and Nebraska have too many people.

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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2009, 05:50:00 pm »

Also, the way to make something work is to work out how to make it work.  Deciding that it isn't going to work accomplishes nothing.   ;D
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2009, 06:55:42 pm »

I have briefly read through the comments on this and a few other discussions, and have some concerns regarding the validity of New Hampshire as your chosen state.  First, why 20000 people?  That seems too few.  20000 people would be spread relatively thin across a state with 147people/mile^2.  Second, being an engineer, I would worry about finding work in the densely populated northeast.  Finally, reading over the other possibilities for state choices, I couldn't help but notice the lack of understanding of the Midwest flyover states (e.g. Kansas, Nebraska, I think South and North Dakota were mentioned but I'm not sure).  These states have untapped potential that no (here) one seems to understand.  While it would be amazing to live in an actual free state, I fail to see why N.H. would be ideal. 

If you have a good 50 hours you can review the "Which State" section of this forum and gain an understanding of why NH was our choice.  We debated 10 small population states, then voted.
The short answer on were the 20,000 figure came from.  It was based on Jason's doctorial work on political migratory groups.  The 10 states we considered all had less than 1.3 million in population.  Bottom line the other states had no water, no trees, no jobs, and no girls! ;D

ps...If you think NH is densely populated, might I suggest you do a little research on our fair state. :)
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2009, 06:56:08 pm »

The makeup of the NH government
no general sales tax
no income tax

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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2009, 08:37:54 pm »

I have briefly read through the comments on this and a few other discussions, and have some concerns regarding the validity of New Hampshire as your chosen state.  First, why 20000 people?  That seems too few.  20000 people would be spread relatively thin across a state with 147people/mile^2.  Second, being an engineer, I would worry about finding work in the densely populated northeast.  Finally, reading over the other possibilities for state choices, I couldn't help but notice the lack of understanding of the Midwest flyover states (e.g. Kansas, Nebraska, I think South and North Dakota were mentioned but I'm not sure).  These states have untapped potential that no (here) one seems to understand.  While it would be amazing to live in an actual free state, I fail to see why N.H. would be ideal. 



Libertarians spread out across the US has allready proven to have about Zero effect.  If you were to measure/see/fully understand the Free States' progress, then I think you see 20K is more than enough.  People thought about this years ago, have moved years ago and it's happening now. 

If you were on the ground in NH, I think you would see that 20k is more than enough.

If you think another state is better and can get more numbers, then I would be a fan!  A number of people have chosen the Live Free or Die and are having a great time, "lighting things up!"  Best.
 

 

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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2009, 08:43:56 pm »

Note that Jason has since recalculated and decided that as few as 7,000 could make a huge impact.  The huge success of the few hundred on the ground already bears that out, I think.  These aren't 20,000 people, these are 20,000 activists.

Also, NH is open and beautiful. 

Lastly, I don't think we would have 1/5 of the movers we have if we had picked ND or SD.  We also would've had an older group of movers, since there isn't much nightlife in those areas.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2009, 09:25:38 pm »

Lastly, I don't think we would have 1/5 of the movers we have if we had picked ND or SD.  We also would've had an older group of movers, since there isn't much nightlife in those areas.

In all fairness, SD does have a great night life in the Rapid City area for a couple weeks in the Summer during the most famous motorcycle rally in America.  Of course, NH does have the 3rd most famous rally and more motorcyclist per capita than any other state.

I think this is a good time to plug Why New Hampshire, http://whynewhampshire.org/

There is also a 101 Reasons to Move to NH but it is currently being revised, I think.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2009, 12:10:03 am »

Well, with Alaska at about 1 person per square mile, and NH at like 145, I consider that being fairly densely populated.  Granted I'm from the midwest, and apparently you people aren't. 

But hey, I'm not saying it's a bad idea.  A bunch of Libertarians living together would be great.  I'm just not willing to live back east.  I've been there and everything is just too close for comfort.  It's like Boulder, CO, but all over the place.

Oh, and I don't know why you call yourself "Peacemaker" and then fumble around with words whilst attempting to insult.
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Re: Why NH?
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2009, 01:08:48 am »

Well, with Alaska at about 1 person per square mile, and NH at like 145, I consider that being fairly densely populated.  Granted I'm from the midwest, and apparently you people aren't. 

But hey, I'm not saying it's a bad idea.  A bunch of Libertarians living together would be great.  I'm just not willing to live back east.  I've been there and everything is just too close for comfort.  It's like Boulder, CO, but all over the place.

Oh, and I don't know why you call yourself "Peacemaker" and then fumble around with words whilst attempting to insult.

There are parts of NH that are very sparsely populated, and Free Staters are concentrating in some of them.  Grafton is a good example.  While it's true that large Western states have many more miles per person, it seems that most people live in small towns, not out in the wilderness, so living in a small town in NH would be about the same.  I'm not from the West though so I don't know.

If going East is just not an option, consider Free State Wyoming.  They aren't as active or large as the Free State Project, but it's better than nothing.  http://www.freestatewyoming.com/

The founder of Free State Wyoming will be speaking at the New Hampshire Liberty Forum if you want to meet him.  http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum

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I often get PMs after posting the link to FSW so I'm going to preemptively answer the complaint.  I do a lot of work for this project because I believe in the idea of concentrated activism.  I'm not subservient to the FSP NH only and would support all movements like this (though, as I've said, this forum is not the place to discuss or plan those movements).  I understand that certain Westerners would not be happy in the East and I still want those people to be able to move and concentrate in an area where they can make a real difference.  Plus, I'm confident that our project is much more vibrant and a better sell...unless moving East is not an option.
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