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Re: Free State Colorado.
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2008, 03:05:09 pm »

The FSP is really a long-term endeavor, 20-30 years of hard work before sweeping results in the policy realm. By that time US politics may have re-aligned. Republicans are going to have to at least learn to embrace immigration & environmental issues if they're going to survive as a party. That said, I think Wyoming, North Dakota, and Alaska are viable options for conservative-leaning libertarians (ardent pro-lifers, those with skeptical leanings on environmental issues, etc.). NH will for the foreseeable future be more of a home for anti-system types and left-leaning libertarians. (Montana is out for right-libertarians because it isn't a right-to-work state, so like NH the union bosses are in control of the Dems.)

Since there is less freedom in ND than most states, I don't understand why you mentioned it?  I understand that the population is shrinking, but that might just mean less freedom.  Also, why do you think the Democratic Party in AK is not somewhat controlled by unions? 

ND is pretty free, my research is showing. So is SD, but it's growing fast, like most free states. I think ND must be losing population because of the brutal winters.

You're right, AK has a huge union problem, but for people interested in secession (which is still not very likely, in my view) AK would be the best choice.

Well, I cannot argue with your research but on the big issues which most people care about, ND is not at all free.  It isn't one of the best states for gun owners.  It has income and sales taxes.  It doesn't have big casinos, or even medical pot as far as I know.  Plus, I've never heard of anyone moving to ND for freedom and wasn't it dead last in the FSP state vote because almost no free stater thought it would be a good place to move to or at least a good place to start a freedom movement?
 
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Re: Free State Colorado.
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2008, 03:12:21 pm »

I dunno about Colorado.  If you're moving to that general area, move to a state that's at least somewhat free like Wyoming.
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Re: Free State Colorado.
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2008, 03:12:59 pm »

The FSP is really a long-term endeavor, 20-30 years of hard work before sweeping results in the policy realm. By that time US politics may have re-aligned. Republicans are going to have to at least learn to embrace immigration & environmental issues if they're going to survive as a party. That said, I think Wyoming, North Dakota, and Alaska are viable options for conservative-leaning libertarians (ardent pro-lifers, those with skeptical leanings on environmental issues, etc.). NH will for the foreseeable future be more of a home for anti-system types and left-leaning libertarians. (Montana is out for right-libertarians because it isn't a right-to-work state, so like NH the union bosses are in control of the Dems.)

Since there is less freedom in ND than most states, I don't understand why you mentioned it?  I understand that the population is shrinking, but that might just mean less freedom.  Also, why do you think the Democratic Party in AK is not somewhat controlled by unions? 

ND is pretty free, my research is showing. So is SD, but it's growing fast, like most free states. I think ND must be losing population because of the brutal winters.

You're right, AK has a huge union problem, but for people interested in secession (which is still not very likely, in my view) AK would be the best choice.

Well, I cannot argue with your research but on the big issues which most people care about, ND is not at all free.  It isn't one of the best states for gun owners.  It has income and sales taxes.  It doesn't have big casinos, or even medical pot as far as I know.  Plus, I've never heard of anyone moving to ND for freedom and wasn't it dead last in the FSP state vote because almost no free stater thought it would be a good place to move to or at least a good place to start a freedom movement?
 

Yep, dead last. It has income & sales taxes, but the rates are quite low. Government spending and debt are low, it does actually have one of the best gun rights regimes in the country (only falls down on open carry), it's tied with Florida for best restrictions on eminent domain, & most economic regulation is limited. On the down side, it has bad homeschooling & marijuana laws & smoking bans, & arrests a lot of people for victimless crimes. Not that I'm encouraging people to move to ND. But it's one of only three alternative locations to NH for right-libertarians that I view as remotely realistic.
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Re: Free State Colorado.
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2008, 03:22:59 pm »

Yep, dead last. It has income & sales taxes, but the rates are quite low. Government spending and debt are low, it does actually have one of the best gun rights regimes in the country (only falls down on open carry), it's tied with Florida for best restrictions on eminent domain, & most economic regulation is limited. On the down side, it has bad homeschooling & marijuana laws & smoking bans, & arrests a lot of people for victimless crimes. Not that I'm encouraging people to move to ND. But it's one of only three alternative locations to NH for right-libertarians that I view as remotely realistic.

Maybe the research disagrees but a right-libertarian would fine a ton more freedom in WY or NH from everyone I've talked to and everything else I've heard on this subject. 

Also, based on my fights against taxes over the years, I've found the most important thing is to not have board based tax x from the start.  It is much harder to create a 4% income or sales tax than increase an already existing income or sales tax.  Although, from what I gather, you weren't suggesting that anyone move to ND and actually fight for freedom.  It seems you were talking about people who are not activists, but lazy right-libertarians who just want as much freedom as the state decides to give them.  If ND currently has somewhat low taxes, than a right-libertarian who doesn't own a gun and just wants to be left alone may do well in ND.
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Re: Free State Colorado.
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2008, 04:54:52 pm »

having 600 or so 'friends' who are already on the ground, willing to help you settle in, who can show you the ropes.... is priceless.

Unless you are going 'underground'.  NH is the place to be.
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Re: Free State Colorado.
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2008, 04:55:50 pm »

Even if you are going 'underground'.  NH is the place to be.

Fixed that for you
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