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I'm interested in the idea of FSP, but what are you going to DO about getting our freedoms back?

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what will you DO?
« on: November 04, 2008, 10:23:48 pm »

Hello, I'm new to the forum (although I've been lurking here & reading up on FSP for some time).  I'm interested and intrigued by the idea behind FSP.  I am a college educated war-veteran, and I am also intimately aware of how our government works at the executive level (we'll just leave it at that).  I'm a proponent of the freedoms espoused by our nation's founders.  All I want to do is live in peace with my family, my guns, and my dogs and go to whatever church I want to without the federal government telling me what I can or can't do, say, or spend.  I don't care for any government who "demands" that I work for IT rather than the other way around as a "patriotic duty".  I believe taxes are ok, but not income taxes.  I believe in a gold/other commodity-backed currency.  In short, I believe the federal government is broken beyond repair and 99% of those in Washington are just out for themselves.  Both parties are bought with special interest dollars, whored out to special interests, or otherwise payed for.  I feel our country has become an empire and Washington has become a seat of power for a national elite.  I don't believe any amount of voting will change this.  I would like to believe that FSP is a real alternative to economic & social slavery under a new socialist leaning federal government, but right now it would appear that you are all still living under the same yoke I am in northern Virginia.  So my question to FSP, as a prospective member, is this:  What is FSP DOING about the federal government's power?  Are you an organization that espouses secession from the Republic?  How will you ever make any real difference?  
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 11:16:09 pm »

FSP members were part of the NH decision to not participate in Real ID.
While many Porcs favor secession, the FSP does not take sides on such issues, and even if the majority do not, one can still elect local officials who will defy federal orders.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 01:24:18 am »

Welcome!  ;D

I think after tonight, it's easy to come to the conclusion (the accurate conclusion) that liberty-minded folks have about zero sway in national politics.  That's not going to change unless we change strategy.  There are a few benefits of joining together.  There is strength in numbers...the social community and support structure of other liberty lovers allows new possibilities like alternative currencies and such.  We can also have a bigger influence on our state to continue to stay as independent from the federal government as possible. 

And another thing...when you scatter hot coals over the ground, they eventually expend all their energy and burn out in exhaustion.  But when you put them close together, they start a fire that can spread to other places.  The strategy liberty lovers have been taking is spreading out.  If we want to save our country, we need to stick together.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 07:57:06 am »

This is very much a one-step-at-a-time kind of thing, and frankly it may not be a success.  While there were a couple of good results yesterday (my wife Carol, Cal Pratt and maybe one or two more elected to the House, plus the spending cap passing in Rochester) the state took a lurch to the left, just like the country did.  We are not not immune from the big picture. 

However, win or lose, when we reminisce, it'll be nice to know that we made the effort to improve our country and didn't just go along for the ride.

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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 09:04:31 am »

...when you scatter hot coals over the ground, they eventually expend all their energy and burn out in exhaustion.  But when you put them close together, they start a fire that can spread to other places.  The strategy liberty lovers have been taking is spreading out.  If we want to save our country, we need to stick together.

Great analogy!
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 09:31:22 am »

This is very much a one-step-at-a-time kind of thing, and frankly it may not be a success.  While there were a couple of good results yesterday (my wife Carol, Cal Pratt and maybe one or two more elected to the House, plus the spending cap passing in Rochester) the state took a lurch to the left, just like the country did.  We are not not immune from the big picture. 

We at least doubled, tripled (possibly even quadrupled) the number of free staters elected to the state house.  So while NH did indeed lurch to the left a bit -- along with the rest of the country, as you pointed out -- we're still making progress here.  It's going to be a long, difficult, uphill battle.  We might not always even be as successful as we were yesterday, but the choices seem to be: keep fighting, give up, or drop out of the system.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 10:09:17 am »

If you think back to the anti-Bush backlash of 2004 and the big push for Obama this cycle, we might have picked a bad time to do this.
In two years we might be the backlash vote.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 02:52:04 am »

If you think back to the anti-Bush backlash of 2004 and the big push for Obama this cycle, we might have picked a bad time to do this.
In two years we might be the backlash vote.

Or, it was a good time for the newbies to run their first campaign, so they know what they’re doing next time around when they might have better chances.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 08:35:34 am »

Dude, the time is ripe for ANYTHING other than what we have.  Just wait for the opportune moment, like the pirate says.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2008, 09:20:16 am »

If you think back to the anti-Bush backlash of 2004 and the big push for Obama this cycle, we might have picked a bad time to do this.
In two years we might be the backlash vote.

Or, it was a good time for the newbies to run their first campaign, so they know what they’re doing next time around when they might have better chances.

Absolutely.  I think that experience (assuming it wasn't so horrible that the candidates refuse to run again) will come in very handy next time around.  The name recognition should help as well.

It might have been smarter to run as Dems this time around...though as I discussed in another thread, the whytofor's and wherehow's of doing so are somewhat boggling to me.  At any rate, whatever the strategy employed, I don't see any value in complaining about having 4 free stater reps in the state house for now.  I think 1 rep (Winters) was a good start, and 4 reps builds quite nicely on that start.  In two years we'll have at least 621 free staters who could potentially run for state office, and hopefully we can talk many more sympathetic natives into running as well.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2008, 09:23:25 am »

If you think back to the anti-Bush backlash of 2004 and the big push for Obama this cycle, we might have picked a bad time to do this.
In two years we might be the backlash vote.

Or, it was a good time for the newbies to run their first campaign, so they know what they’re doing next time around when they might have better chances.

Absolutely.  I think that experience (assuming it wasn't so horrible that the candidates refuse to run again) will come in very handy next time around.  The name recognition should help as well.

It might have been smarter to run as Dems this time around...though as I discussed in another thread, the whytofor's and wherehow's of doing so are somewhat boggling to me.  At any rate, whatever the strategy employed, I don't see any value in complaining about having 4 free stater reps in the state house for now.  I think 1 rep (Winters) was a good start, and 4 reps builds quite nicely on that start.  In two years we'll have at least 621 free staters who could potentially run for state office, and hopefully we can talk many more sympathetic natives into running as well.

I would tell people to run as Dems if they want to work within that party and they should start now.  I won't leave the GOP and just switch over if you were already working within the GOP....
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2008, 12:50:43 am »

Fortune favors the bold... and every previous empire in history has collapsed and disappeared under their own weight, with the exception of the Brits (a shadow of their former glory).  The real power and strength of this nation resides within those of us that refuse "entitlements" and are willing to buttress and fortify the foundations.  Don't bow to the New World Image.  No need to tilt at windmills, eventually all false wealth will fail.  Seems to me that FSPers are the only liberty minded group willing to revive the concept of non-coercion in government except as applies to life, liberty, and property, for all peoples regardless of race, creed, or color.  The means of making it practical are best hammered out in a local setting.  That's what's doing.
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Re: what will you DO?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2008, 09:17:59 am »

Hello and cheers to all of you courageous free staters,my name is kurt and im a construction guy in Florida,originally from California,i moved to Florida about 20 years ago when i was 17.my mom said at the time it was for opportunity and i went along kicking and screaming.i had always wanted to return to California and i did just this year.what a piece o crap place California is now,nothing like it was when i was a kid,so I'm back in Florida and still unhappy :'(.i have been looking at this site for a few weeks now and I'm impressed with the FSP.

i have been looking into various groups that reflect their disdain for the governments buissiness as usuall BS. i voted for McCain only because i was voting against obama,nothing against McCain but,I'm suffering in my field of work for the mere fact that the border has been left open to cheap labor and i make less now than i did 20 years ago(if i can even find work).McCain was clearly weak on immigration and weak in generall (frail perhaps)but he was the lesser of the 2 evils >:D,lol.

im not a college grad, i dont have a deegree,but i am a proud student of the school of hard knocks and i continue to self educate myself in politics and government.it seems the more i learn,the more i realize i dont know and the more frustrated i become with the underhanded dealings of the politicians and their cronies.

im here to say i will move to NH in the near future and i will become active in the state.whether its protesting bad legislature or championing to keep the good,whatever it takes to see the god given freedoms of our great nation remain in tact.i am very passionate about this and i have been searching out various organizations(thats how i found this one) and i joined a action group here in florida and have been emailing and networking to stop the bailouts and other things on a local level.
at this point it may be better for me to focus on my move to NH than worry about local policy in florida.

I would like to get into the solar energy buissiness when i get there but i could work as a carpenter or something in the meantime.This is my first post on this site but,not my last by far.thanks to all the free staters for giving us hope in this time of tragedy.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2008, 09:20:45 am »

welcome!
http://www.gtsolar.com/  They do have some jobs.

http://www.dawnsolar.com/  they might be hiring... (they also install 'regular roofs' as well so that might be a good place to start off.)

Welcome to the forum and the FSP.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2008, 09:23:45 am »

wow that was fast ;D thankyou ill look into that.
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